My first language was Algol (1965), second was Fortran during a summer job
that year.  After that Lisp,  C, Pascal (which I taught without having used
it before), then Java, Java, Java.  The Algol beginning was very valuable.

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On Sat, Aug 8, 2020, 11:00 AM jon zingale <jonzing...@gmail.com> wrote:

> When McWhorter came to the Lensic on one of his tours, he made a
> rhetorically
> powerful argument against the Whorfian hypothesis in natural languages. I
> now tend to side with him, even though I cannot really remember the
> structure of his argument. On the other hand, SteveS makes a great point
> regarding translations of programs between languages. Barry's comment also,
> for me, rings true. Perhaps, a kernel of the programmer's first language is
> to be found in all future writing. Computer languages, unlike Athena, do
> not
> come fully formed from the head. The state of the art continues to be under
> radical development and is not just engaged in an empty proliferation of
> simulacra. The work of logicians and philosophers, each with a stake in the
> development of human thinking itself, continue to help move the art
> forward.
> The ideas of Categorical logicians continue to develop languages like
> Haskell, and those (academic) ideas continue to direct and further refine
> the development of otherwise sprawling spaghetti monster languages like
> javascript (React, for instance). The work of homotopy type theorists
> continues to improve our understanding of automatic proof, the
> reasonability
> of mathematical objects, and refinement of philosophically useful notions
> like dependent typing (Agda, Coq, Isabelle). The interactions here are rich
> and not unidirectional. The ideas being developed are meaningful to the
> state-of-the-art and not just more FORTRAN. While it might be true that
> Alonzo Church gave us computation, there is still much to be discovered.
>
>
>
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