They need to explain themselves, and it is entirely appropriate to make their lives risky and inconvenient until they do.
From: Friam <friam-boun...@redfish.com> On Behalf Of Prof David West Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2021 12:07 PM To: friam@redfish.com Subject: Re: [FRIAM] On the: RLY!? side Glen is very sensitive to potential misrepresentation/misinterpretation of his words, as am I. I merely asked if Glen's sentences, which on their face seem to equate anti-vax and stupid, should be interpreted that way. In a sense I was trolling him because I know he would not make such a blanket and absolute assertion. However, the entire tenor of the thread, and the public rhetoric regarding people holding anti-vax positions seems, to me, to be grounded in exactly this kind of assertion: "if you (a person) are anti-vax you are stupid (and probably a Trumpista or at least a Republican). In my opinion this kind of assertion is wrong, harmful, and, if your goal is to increase vaccination rates, entirely counter-productive. davew On Thu, Aug 26, 2021, at 10:55 AM, uǝlƃ ☤>$ wrote: > I addressed the stupid people vs stupid acts. Dave makes that > conflation. I don't. > > But re: punishment - I also never claimed stupidity should be punished. > I claimed stupidity should be painful. As a person who inflicts pain on > myself daily, on purpose, it would be silly to identify pain with > punishment. Futher, many of us are affected by chronic pain, often of > unknown mechanism/origin. Sophistry about the problem of Evil > notwithstanding, chronic pain is not the universe punishing you. The > story of Job is a stupid story. > > We *could* talk about pain as a mechanism for aversive learning, > though. The chronic pain I suffer from has taught me how to (and that I > must) moderately meter out my pain in order to avoid greater amounts of > pain. Pain has taught me a great deal. It's not a punishment in the > slightest sense of that word. > > On 8/26/21 9:44 AM, thompnicks...@gmail.com<mailto:thompnicks...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > It would be good to make a distinction between "punishment" and > > "self-preservation". There is something incoherent about asserting that > > stupid people need to be punished, because one of the salient features of > > stupidity is an inability to learn from experience. > > > > Also, don't we need to distinguish between stupid people and stupid acts? > -- > ☤>$ uǝlƃ > > - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 > bit.ly/virtualfriam<http://bit.ly/virtualfriam> > un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ > archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ >
- .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/
