Nick, get out your dagger repellent you Trumpist you! I have heard, almost verbatim, your entire paragraph from the mouth of the Donald, and seen the exact same notions discussed, ad nauseam, in Glen's favorite newspaper, *The Epoch Times.* [Don't shoot me glen, it is a joke.]
davew On Thu, Nov 11, 2021, at 11:57 AM, thompnicks...@gmail.com wrote: > Steve, > > Well, I may be the victim of recent “neo- (aka archeo-) liberal” pod casts, > but I really get the impression that the Chinese are going for it, boasting a > Chinese Exceptionalism every bit as toxic as the one we have espoused. From > their point of view, this moment in history is the analogue of our moment > after WW two. They are ready to move ahead and there is nobody “out there” > with the organization or resources to oppose them. Why would they not take > the opportunity? The age of sino-hegemony is upon us. We either pull our > socks up politically or settle down to be the new Yugoslavia. > > Nick Thompson > thompnicks...@gmail.com > https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ > > *From:* Friam <friam-boun...@redfish.com> *On Behalf Of *Steve Smith > *Sent:* Thursday, November 11, 2021 11:58 AM > *To:* friam@redfish.com > *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Application of robo-pigeon in ethological studies of > bird flocks > > > Nick - > > I asked this because the style of your statement felt like it had the flavor > of Cold War Rhetoric which I was (also) raised on. I (want to) think > something more sophisticated (and interesting) is afoot today and that while > I don't want to fall into the low-entropy stylization implied by this CCP > Spectre, I *do* want to believe (or seek) something good that the CCP "great > experiment" might have found while we were on our NeoLiberal hyperCapitalism > "great experiment". Is there room to learn something > (humanist/humanitarian) from them? I believe StephenG's familiarity with > China in modern times (as well as others) may offer us some parallax? > > - Steve > > On 11/11/21 10:42 AM, thompnicks...@gmail.com wrote: >> Steve, >> >> No. You are right on target for the thread. My understanding of the >> present Government is that it is absolutely convinced that the centralist, >> technological, authoritarian model of government superior to other models >> and that this is their time to demonstrate that superiority. I can really >> imagine some CCP leaders reading this research and thinking, “mmmmmmmmm! >> THAT’S interesting. In my back yard, back in the sixties, there was a >> teensy little CIA research station figuring out how to get animals –dogs, >> ravens, pigeons, donkeys, what-have-you, to carry bombs for them, using a >> combination of training and neural implants. When the gave up the project, >> they left behind two gigantic glass carboys filled with pickled dogs heads. >> >> The Shadow Knows. >> Nick >> >> Nick Thompson >> thompnicks...@gmail.com >> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ >> >> *From:* Friam <friam-boun...@redfish.com> *On Behalf Of *Steve Smith >> *Sent:* Thursday, November 11, 2021 11:22 AM >> *To:* friam@redfish.com >> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Application of robo-pigeon in ethological studies of >> bird flocks >> >> >> Nick - >> >> >>> Chinese science moves ahead in the development of the ideal society. >>> >> I don't mean to be flip in my question, but have to ask if you are being >> flip in this statement? Can you say more about what you think the Chinese >> gov't/people/culture might be "trying" to do, either overtly, or implicitly >> by simply following their individual goals/interests/desires? >> >> I believe that the collective dynamics between Nations/Peoples are what is >> dominating the movement/evolution of humanity (cultural, not genetic) and >> that it is like an N-body problem in complexity and subtlety but is effected >> primarily through network relations. >> >> Like Gene Expression Networks, I believe that the more important "memes" (I >> think this is a useful but risky metaphorical binding that Dawkins coined >> for us most of a career (for me) ago) are those that are _regulatory_ which >> is why the likes of Trump and Bannon and Stone and the whole cabal of >> supervillians we are coping with these days focus on things like "fake >> news!" and "big lie!", etc. In the spirit of McLuhan, "the medium IS the >> message", the medium itself becomes the _thing to manipulate_ like trying to >> disrupt the news credibility and the election process as well as becoming >> the definition of a tweetHole, and using Facebook to disseminate dysInfo etc. >> >> I know this is an acute threadbend, you were trying to talk about birds and >> flocking and experimental techniques for studying same... if you do feel >> inclined to answer, it is probably best to rethread. >> >>> https://jin.imrpress.com/article/2020/1757-448X/1757-448X-19-3-443.shtml >>> >>> If the robo-pigeon is a dominant member of the flock, you can make the >>> flock do loop-di-loops by commanding the robo-pigeon to loop. If >>> subordinate, the loop-di-looping behavior of the robopigeon has no effect >>> on the flock. A robo-pigeon is one with a brain implant and pigeons are >>> operated on AFTER their dominance in the flock has been determined. >>> >>> >>> >>> I hope I have this all right. >>> >>> Nick >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> .-- .- -. - / .- -.-. - .. --- -. ..--.. / -.-. --- -. .--- ..- --. .- - . >>> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >>> Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn UTC-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam >>> un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com >>> FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ >>> archives: >>> 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ >>> 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/ >> >> >> >> .-- .- -. - / .- -.-. - .. --- -. ..--.. / -.-. --- -. .--- ..- --. .- - . >> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >> Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn UTC-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam >> un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com >> FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ >> archives: >> 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ >> 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/ > > .-- .- -. - / .- -.-. - .. --- -. ..--.. / -.-. --- -. .--- ..- --. .- - . > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn UTC-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam > un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ > archives: > 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ > 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/ >
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