Frank,
In your lingo, what is an effect called that feeds back on its cause? Nick Thompson <mailto:thompnicks...@gmail.com> thompnicks...@gmail.com <https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ From: Friam <friam-boun...@redfish.com> On Behalf Of Frank Wimberly Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2021 7:15 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] The epiphenomenality relation Yes, for example. --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Sun, Nov 28, 2021, 6:06 PM Marcus Daniels <mar...@snoutfarm.com <mailto:mar...@snoutfarm.com> > wrote: I guess you mean A(t=0)->B(t=1), B(t=1)->A(t=2), not B(t=1)->A(t=0) From: Friam <friam-boun...@redfish.com <mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com> > On Behalf Of Frank Wimberly Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2021 3:46 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com <mailto:friam@redfish.com> > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] The epiphenomenality relation I did a number of experiments in the use of causal learning methods to infer genetic regulatory networks using actual and simulated data. Those networks have loops of a variety of lengths. References available upon request. --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Sun, Nov 28, 2021, 4:41 PM Marcus Daniels <mar...@snoutfarm.com <mailto:mar...@snoutfarm.com> > wrote: I just don't see how that is a "loop" except that repeated application of such a matrix could lead to oscillation. It sounded like somehow causality was violated and not just obscured. -----Original Message----- From: Friam <friam-boun...@redfish.com <mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com> > On Behalf Of ? glen Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2021 3:38 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com <mailto:friam@redfish.com> > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] The epiphenomenality relation Right, high dimension. More important than the matrix being large is that it has non-zero cross terms. On November 28, 2021 8:42:37 AM PST, Marcus Daniels <mar...@snoutfarm.com <mailto:mar...@snoutfarm.com> > wrote: >The operators are large (in the sense of a matrix) whether or not they are >intended to be? > >> On Nov 28, 2021, at 6:20 AM, ⛧ glen <geprope...@gmail.com >> <mailto:geprope...@gmail.com> > wrote: >> >> Any of the evolutionary operators across scales, from energy exchange at >> the finest to ecosystem reengineering at the coarsest. >> >>> On November 27, 2021 7:33:15 AM PST, Marcus Daniels <mar...@snoutfarm.com >>> <mailto:mar...@snoutfarm.com> > wrote: >>> I’ve heard these words from you Glen, but I have no idea what these loops >>> are or what you might be talking about. >>> -- glen ⛧ .-- .- -. - / .- -.-. - .. --- -. ..--.. / -.-. --- -. .--- ..- --. .- - . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn UTC-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam <http://bit.ly/virtualfriam> un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/ .-- .- -. - / .- -.-. - .. --- -. ..--.. / -.-. --- -. .--- ..- --. .- - . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn UTC-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam <http://bit.ly/virtualfriam> un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/ .-- .- -. - / .- -.-. - .. --- -. ..--.. / -.-. --- -. .--- ..- --. .- - . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn UTC-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam <http://bit.ly/virtualfriam> un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/
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