I went to elementary school with a guy, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dean_Hamer, whose wikipedia bio describes research in the the genetic basis of sexual orientation that he did at NIH in the 1990's.
-- rec -- On Sun, Jan 9, 2022 at 5:15 AM Jochen Fromm <j...@cas-group.net> wrote: > This topic is a minefield, because it is related like the controversial > "race" term to the personal identify. Black people for instance score > higher in 100m or 200m runs than white people as the data clearly shows, > which means their genes somehow must give them more power for this > particular competition. Still all people belong to the same race. As you > know this topic is very controversial and precarious. For sex it is similar. > > There are genes for the two major sex hormones, estrogen for women and > testosterone for men. Males have one X and Y chromosome, females have two X > chromosomes. Therefore there are clearly genetic differences between men > and women. > > Just how girls who are subject to estrogen develop an affection for boys > is unclear. The same for boys who are subject to testosterone in their > development. My hypothesis is that the mechanism works like "develop an > affection for those who look the same but different" during the time the > sex hormones start to work. Once they have a preference, addiction > mechanisms kick in which tell the individuals to do more of that which they > like. Something like that where the target of affection is path dependent > and not completely hardwired. > > In general I would say that homosexuality is a byproduct of the mating > process. This would explain why homosexuality continues to exist in > evolutionary systems although these individuals have less or no offspring. > Like coal power plants which produce CO2 and nuclear power plants which > produce nuclear waste, the mating process produces losers who lost for > whatever reason in the competition for mates and have no offspring. Among > those some may pick a mate of the same sex, because the sex drive is hard > to ignore and not completely hardwired. > > This is just my rough idea how it could work in principle. It can be wrong > and it is a delicate topic. There are many books about the sociologal and > psychological aspects of it. In the library I usually ignore them because > it is not a topic I am especially interested in. Therefore my knowledge is > incomplete in this area, and someone else here can probably explain it > better. > > -J. > > > -------- Original message -------- > From: thompnicks...@gmail.com > Date: 1/9/22 01:39 (GMT+01:00) > To: 'The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group' < > friam@redfish.com> > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] gene complex for homosexuality > > Well, first things first. Is there any evidence for a genetic basis for > homosexuality. You can, of course, have a trait that it is chromosomally > determined (if not genetically so) and still not heritable. Sex, for > instance. Sex is not heritable. > > > > My assumption has always been that homosexuality might be influence by > innate factors, but not be heritable. > > > > I haven’t read up on that subject for 2 decades. > > > > Anybody know any facts? > > > > n > > > > Nick Thompson > > thompnicks...@gmail.com > > https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ > > > > *From:* Friam <friam-boun...@redfish.com> *On Behalf Of *Marcus Daniels > *Sent:* Saturday, January 8, 2022 5:57 PM > *To:* FriAM <friam@redfish.com> > *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] gene complex for homosexuality > > > > It seems like such a dumb question to ask. Why should any preference > have a genetic basis? How about look for a gene that encodes a preference > for plush carpeting or a preference for Flamenco music? And what about > those men that like short women?! Maybe a man is kind of like a tall > woman, on average? And why would anyone expect that it would be bimodal? > If it were what would that tell us? One could imagine homosexuality is > just one manifestation of cognitive or emotional flexibility. That by > itself would explain why it is enduring, because those properties would > give a person an advantage over less flexible people. Some fraction of the > people with that property have heterosexual or bisexual relationships, and > they reproduce and raise children that thrive. The rigid (heterosexual) > types in comparison are prone to making the same kind of mistakes over and > over and their children suffer for it. > ------------------------------ > > *From:* Friam <friam-boun...@redfish.com> on behalf of ⛧ glen < > geprope...@gmail.com> > *Sent:* Saturday, January 8, 2022 4:13 PM > *To:* FriAM <friam@redfish.com> > *Subject:* [FRIAM] gene complex for homosexuality > > > > I'm in an ongoing argument with a gay friend about how tortured Darwinian > arguments are in accounting for homosexuality. He claims they're VERY > torturous. I'm inclined toward the first mentioned here: > https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-26089486 > > But, were group selection and/or cultural evolution a thing, then my > friend would be more right. 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