Or commerce could simply be a transaction site to pay people for imagery to map and monitor the river from their watercraft navigating the river (USV boat drone, paddleboard, kayak, canoe or other). A DAO or 501.c3 could be set up to manage the process and receive grants and donations. _______________________________________________________________________ stephen.gue...@simtable.com <stephen.gue...@simtable.com> CEO, Simtable http://www.simtable.com 1600 Lena St #D1, Santa Fe, NM 87505 office: (505)995-0206 mobile: (505)577-5828 twitter: @simtable z <http://zoom.com/j/5055775828>oom.simtable.com
On Fri, Jan 21, 2022 at 10:24 AM Stephen Guerin <stephen.gue...@simtable.com> wrote: > or commerce and navigability may be accomplished by a NM Stream Commission > contract to continuously survey the waterway bathymetry with unmanned > surface vehicles: > https://www.oceanalpha.com/product-item/sl40/ > _______________________________________________________________________ > stephen.gue...@simtable.com <stephen.gue...@simtable.com> > CEO, Simtable http://www.simtable.com > 1600 Lena St #D1, Santa Fe, NM 87505 > office: (505)995-0206 mobile: (505)577-5828 > twitter: @simtable > z <http://zoom.com/j/5055775828>oom.simtable.com > > > On Fri, Jan 21, 2022 at 10:16 AM Stephen Guerin < > stephen.gue...@simtable.com> wrote: > >> Cody, >> >> Noticed that issue made international news and was covered by the >> Guardian in 2018. >> >> https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/mar/15/privatized-rivers-us-public-lands-waterways >> >> I suspect you're aware but didn't mention is Federal doctrine of >> "Navigable Servitude" that ties navigability to State Ownership that >> prevents the riverbed from converting to private land. >> >> - See:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Navigable_servitude >> - >> https://www.americanwhitewater.org/content/Wiki/stewardship:navigability >> Note from this article the concept of proving "Susceptibly of Commerce" >> " If the river has ever been demonstrably been used for commerce, >> then it can readily be found navigable under federal law. However, many >> states have also accepted demonstrations that the waterway is merely >> capable of commerce as proof of susceptibility. >> >> Commerce refers to the ability to transport goods to or from market, >> or for sale. Commerce inherently includes the right of navigation. >> Commerce >> and therefore navigation includes transportation of timber, as well as >> transport by barge traffic or oceangoing ships. Some states have also >> accepted evidence of use by a commercial raft company, or kayak or canoe >> school as evidence of commercial navigability. >> >> If the river was used for transporting goods for sale prior to >> statehood, then the river is clearly navigable by federal definition. As >> such, the bed and the bank up to the mean high water mark are owned by the >> state and held in trust for the public." >> >> It would be interesting to have a site to track craft GPS and imagery to >> continue to maintain public ownership. The Realtime.Earth app could be a >> kind of crowdsourced RiverView ala Google Street View. I also wonder what >> would qualify as craft as navigation. Certainly barges with no onboard >> pilots and dragged by mules on the side and "remote piloting" qualified. I >> would think a legal argument could be made drone craft with GPS and >> cameras qualify as navigation craft. Also would be safer given the barbed >> wire obstacles. >> >> WRT to establishing commerce, we can set up a Culinary Mushroom delivery >> service where supply is put in on the river (up or downstream as a drone >> boat can probably handle it) and customers retrieve the Culinary (or other) >> mushrooms somewhere else. Citizens can buy a Crypto Coin to support the >> project as well as convert their Coins as they are backed by mushrooms. As >> we've talked about at the office, this could be the worlds first Fungible >> Currency and imagery could be sold as Fungible Tokens :-) >> >> -Stephen >> >> _______________________________________________________________________ >> stephen.gue...@simtable.com <stephen.gue...@simtable.com> >> CEO, Simtable http://www.simtable.com >> 1600 Lena St #D1, Santa Fe, NM 87505 >> office: (505)995-0206 mobile: (505)577-5828 >> twitter: @simtable >> z <http://zoom.com/j/5055775828>oom.simtable.com >> >> >> On Thu, Jan 20, 2022 at 3:22 AM cody dooderson <d00d3r...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Forgive me while I hijack this rant to append my own political rant? >>> >>> Here is some background. I live in New Mexico, which is a land of very >>> little water. Last year I got interested in stand up paddle boarding in the >>> few rivers that annually have enough water to float on. It is a great way >>> to see wildlife and avoid the summer heat. New Mexico is lucky enough to >>> have a state constitution that protects people's rights to use waterways >>> [1]. >>> Our previous Governor, who was basically a spokesperson for rich private >>> interests (AKA Texans), silently made a rule that allowed land >>> owners (Texans) to put barbed wire across the rivers. It only takes a few >>> fences to make a river non navigable by inflatable boat. That rule is >>> mostly not enforced because it is unconstitutional, and unfair. It is >>> currently on it's way to the supreme court. I probably don't need to >>> mention that the rich landowners have much more money in this fight than >>> the rafters and fisherman. >>> In the meantime, our current governor, who is a Democrat with some >>> arguably dictator-like tendencies, has started to fire every game >>> commissioner who refuses to enforce the previously mentioned >>> unconstitutional rule. There have been 2 so far [2]. I am curious what >>> her motivations are. Is there such a thing as lobbyist induced Stockholm >>> syndrome? >>> >>> Cody Smith >>> >>> [1] New Mexico Consttution. Article 16 Section 2. >>> https://ballotpedia.org/Article_XVI,_New_Mexico_Constitution >>> [2] Much more information with links. >>> https://www.reddit.com/r/Albuquerque/comments/s3zdrk/governor_removes_another_qualified_commissioner/ >>> >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Jan 14, 2022 at 2:08 AM Jochen Fromm <j...@cas-group.net> wrote: >>> >>>> Let me try to view it from a complexity perspective: >>>> >>>> After the Cold War we thought capitalism has won and communism lost, >>>> but it is not that simple. Now we see the drawbacks of capitalism too. >>>> Companies in capitalism were forced to reduce their costs and all the jobs >>>> went to China where most supply chains end now. Nature is exploited in >>>> capitalism globally on a unprecedented scale. The climate is broken and the >>>> world is burning. The world drowns in waste: plastic waste, nuclear waste, >>>> e-waste, .... >>>> >>>> The system is not only producing trash, it even sells trash wrapped in >>>> lies. Fast food corporations ruin our health by selling fake food and >>>> paying their workers extremely low slave wages. They spend a lot of money >>>> for ads and marketing though, but marketing can be considered as the art of >>>> lying. Amazon has successfully destroyed all bookstores and pays its >>>> workers in fulfillment centers not enough to make a living. Facebook aka >>>> Meta helps to destroy democracy while Mark Zuckerberg enjoys his life in >>>> his giant estate in Hawaii. >>>> >>>> Gil is right, the world is broken in many ways. Obviously we need to >>>> support our politicians in understanding the mess and in finding ways to >>>> fix it. Complexity science helps us to study complex systems on a large >>>> scale, to understand how they work, how they interact and how they can >>>> fail. The SFI in Santa Fe is known worldwide as a promoter for work in this >>>> important area, even if it might appear as a shabby or boring building to >>>> local residents. >>>> >>>> -J. >>>> >>>> >>>> -------- Original message -------- >>>> From: Stephen Guerin <stephen.gue...@simtable.com> >>>> Date: 1/14/22 05:31 (GMT+01:00) >>>> To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group < >>>> friam@redfish.com> >>>> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] One of many things the country is fucked on >>>> >>>> Gil, >>>> >>>> I love you, man. Maybe a little less gratuitous graphic imagery in the >>>> rants. >>>> >>>> Extra points if you can tie the rants to some kind of Complexity >>>> perspective - Not that that is too common here. :-) >>>> >>>> -Stephen >>>> _______________________________________________________________________ >>>> stephen.gue...@simtable.com <stephen.gue...@simtable.com> >>>> CEO, Simtable http://www.simtable.com >>>> t1600 Lena St #D1, Santa Fe, NM 87505 >>>> office: (505)995-0206 mobile: (505)577-5828 >>>> twitter: @simtable >>>> z <http://zoom.com/j/5055775828>oom.simtable.com >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Jan 13, 2022 at 4:31 PM Gillian Densmore < >>>> gil.densm...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> The maslows are just fucked. Reason number 99999 out of googolplex. >>>>> To save myself a lot of mental wear and tair. and to save some on >>>>> gass. I had hoped I could shop amazon pantry. for at least some of it. >>>>> -a lot of the basics: breakfast cerials, or bagels aint available for >>>>> SNAP,or even at all where I am geographically speaking. I guess bozo the >>>>> the clown doesn't consider santa fe a real place. Welcome to club ahole. >>>>> -Snack stuff is equally hit and mis for just being available >>>>> -same for cleaning sprays and gels >>>>> Oh but I can get my cookies and MnMs on all I want. >>>>> The very fact that 500 some odd twats even consider a weekly alowence >>>>> er um sorry "Universal income" as a question. Is just fucking stupid. If >>>>> they can't even get around to, uh ya know fixing the economy, having >>>>> universal healthcare and blah blah. They sure the fuck can get the >>>>> havenots >>>>> like yours truely a god damn alowence. my SDI from inflation just don't go >>>>> all that far. And trumpster types winge about 'oh being lazy blah blah' >>>>> .they see the news, they know, just as well as this list does. Jobs >>>>> sucked >>>>> a fat dick back in 2014 because of slave-wages. they suck more now because >>>>> of that, and covid reasons. Plus fact is not 100% of people can work if >>>>> they want to. Just not enough slots to do that. >>>>> >>>>> I fail to understand why it is that with a super fragile ecosystem >>>>> home delivery is just a basic. Getting out for fresh is great. Telling >>>>> what's left of air to get reked not so much. >>>>> >>>>> -Me the one sane dude left. >>>>> >>>>> .-- .- -. - / .- -.-. - .. --- -. ..--.. / -.-. --- -. .--- ..- --. .- >>>>> - . >>>>> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >>>>> Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn UTC-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam >>>>> un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com >>>>> FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ >>>>> archives: >>>>> 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ >>>>> 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/ >>>>> >>>> >>>> .-- .- -. - / .- -.-. - .. --- -. ..--.. / -.-. --- -. .--- ..- --. .- >>>> - . >>>> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >>>> Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn UTC-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam >>>> un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com >>>> FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ >>>> archives: >>>> 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ >>>> 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/ >>>> >>> >>> .-- .- -. - / .- -.-. - .. --- -. ..--.. / -.-. --- -. .--- ..- --. .- - >>> . >>> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >>> Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn UTC-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam >>> un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com >>> FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ >>> archives: >>> 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ >>> 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/ >>> >>
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