Yeah, that's a good take. It also helps in distinguishing between reflexive defense
mechanisms and cryptic character traits. Where me and the biologist who felt shut down
disagree is in the interpretation of the non-cis participants word and body language
choices. He thinks they're reflections of character traits. I think they're just defense
mechanisms they've learned over years of abuse. In the non-binary person's case, they
have an entire non-estranged, continually engaged, family that rejects their identity. So
their body and word language is probably an example of them saying to the white cis
biologists "pull yourselves together and we'll try again later." But I'm
willing to be shown wrong if that's the case.
On 3/3/22 12:36, Marcus Daniels wrote:
Hmm. Another experience I have had while deconstructing someone with "charged feelings"
is coming to the ought-to-be-obvious recognition that neither of us care about the other, but
nonetheless the counterparty who feels compelled to share their boring feelings believes it is my
job to patiently listen to them work through their issues (even though they would never do the same
for me). Canceling could just mean "Pull yourself together and we'll try again next
week."
-----Original Message-----
From: Friam <friam-boun...@redfish.com> On Behalf Of glen
Sent: Thursday, March 3, 2022 12:28 PM
To: friam@redfish.com
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] academic freedom
Ha! No, I was making a point about freedom of speech, in particularly
"academic" speech, and canceling or shutting down others. Sorry if my anecdote
got in the way. I pared it down for you below.
On 3/3/22 12:16, Marcus Daniels wrote:
Anyway, I guess you were making some point about people getting riled up at a
pub, and that it being informative somehow. (Or at least entertaining?)
On 3/3/22 11:02, glen wrote:
Nobody was actively trying to shut anyone down. But the more conservative
biologist actively claims the non-binary and queer participants *were* trying
to shut down the biologists and had clearly shut down their reasoning. I
disagree completely.
--
glen
When elephants fight, it is the grass that suffers.
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