It's all feeling a little too Westworld, lately! Time to run the mass shooting Swarm, again.
-----Original Message----- From: Friam <friam-boun...@redfish.com> On Behalf Of glen Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2022 9:17 AM To: friam@redfish.com Subject: Re: [FRIAM] YAC - yet another cult Yep. And it's not focused on religion or cults of personality, either. It broadens out beyond, say, conspiracy theories with real political impact like QAnon and voter fraud all the way out to the alienation many feel from social media, incels, mass shootings, doomscrolling, the pandemic of existential ennui, gerrymandering, oligarchy, disenfranchisement, etc. Hell, I'll even blame the 15 lbs I've gained over the past 2 years on a "lack of belonging"! ... yeah, that's the ticket. On 7/19/22 08:57, Marcus Daniels wrote: > When it becomes as a serious as dogma, it seems like it might be time to > confront what is leading to the addiction rather than the addiction itself. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Friam <friam-boun...@redfish.com> On Behalf Of glen > Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2022 8:45 AM > To: friam@redfish.com > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] YAC - yet another cult > > I agree. And that's why the criticism that atheism *is* a truth claim (a > belief) is convincing to me. Standard caveats #notallatheists, obviously. But > I find it especially in the "deconstructed Christians", those atheists that > are really just running from a toxic religiosity. They need a recovery group > to cope with their traumatic history. The problem is that their recovery > group *seems* to orbit "atheism", whereas it shouldn't. > > Addiction recovery methods often involve "substitution". E.g it helps to use > nicotine patches to quit smoking. Or, alcoholics can drink tea every time > they get the urge to quaff some vodka. Recovering Christians may tend to > substitute Atheism for Christianity. It *is* a category error. But someone > who is habituated to metaphysical claims might invert atheism and treat it as > a truth claim. I think a lot of recovering Christians do exactly that. > > On 7/19/22 08:34, Marcus Daniels wrote: >> Glen writes: >> >> < And that's something non-religious atheists don't really have (though they >> clearly *want* it: https://seattleatheist.church/). > >> >> A support group connected to an idea undermines the integrity of the idea. >> It's culty. > > -- ꙮ Mɥǝu ǝlǝdɥɐuʇs ɟᴉƃɥʇ' ʇɥǝ ƃɹɐss snɟɟǝɹs˙ ꙮ -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom https://bit.ly/virtualfriam to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/ -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom https://bit.ly/virtualfriam to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/
