On Thu, Feb 16, 2023 at 2:51 PM Jochen Fromm <j...@cas-group.net> wrote:
> It reminds me of this book: > The Zoologist's Guide to the Galaxy > > https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/646643/the-zoologists-guide-to-the-galaxy-by-arik-kershenbaum/ > > -J. > > > -------- Original message -------- > From: Nicholas Thompson <thompnicks...@gmail.com> > Date: 2/16/23 10:22 AM (GMT+01:00) > To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com> > > Cc: Mike Bybee <mikeby...@earthlink.net> > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Thuram still happening? > > DISCUSS: If we were Martians sent to earth to study animal life EXCLUSIVE > OF human life, would we ever have come up with the idea of categories? > What is there that animals do that demands us to invent categories to > explain their behavior? Could we build a theory of animal life based > solely on associations among experiences... their experiences, not ours. > > n > > On Wed, Feb 15, 2023 at 6:14 PM Nicholas Thompson <thompnicks...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Sorry, Dave. Will miss you. You have been my most faithful recent >> companion in my quest for windmills to topple. As for your double take, I >> probably used the wrong initials. I was thinking about the AI thing which, >> I gather, Bing is now employing to get us all advice on how to cure our >> lumbago, without ever having to bother with that nasty Mayo Clinic website. >> >> >> I see why you want to substitute “cloud” for my link metaphor. It’s >> easier to think of clouds probabilistically. Clouds are awfully passive >> entities to serve in the way I need them to. Clouds are not, in the >> first instance, things but visualizations of things. (They can themselves >> become things, but Idon’t think you have anticipated that metaphoric >> implication.) my ”links” are more deterministic than your clouds. I >> admit that “probabilistic link” is a hard image to think, and therefore not >> a very evocative metaphor. How about ”woodland path” Woodland pathways >> provide a more dynamic image than “links”. Started by a rabbit, adopted >> by a coyote, exploited by a deer, blundered into by a cow, woodland >> pathways flourish or fail by use and by the attractiveness of the nodes >> where they converge or cross. Each use favors future use and nodes become >> prominent not only for their inherent attractiveness but because they are >> on the way to. attractive nodes. Thus Sublette KS is a well traveled node >> not only because of the tourist attraction of visiting the place where the >> 1917-18 ("spanish") flu got its start, but also because it happens to be >> on the shortest route from NYC to LA. . >> >> >> >> in thinking about this, we should focus on the animal case. Humans are >> too complicated to be interesting. Also, I think we should focus on animals >> in currently living in their "environment of evolutionary adaptiveness." >> >> >> >> I wish we could entice Glen, and Mike, and Stephen to drop in on us >> around 11 tomorrow,if only to show your faces. The node is >> https://bit.ly/virtualfriam >> >> Nick >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* Friam <friam-boun...@redfish.com> *On Behalf Of *Prof David West >> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 15, 2023 1:24 PM >> *To:* friam@redfish.com >> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Thuram still happening? >> >> >> >> I will be traveling to Wisconsin tomorrow and miss Thuram. >> >> >> >> 2-cents: a word cloud might be a more useful metaphor than a semantic >> net, just because of the formalisms employed in the latter. True a cloud >> lacks explicit links, but such might be lightly sprinkled therein. >> >> >> >> Did a huge double take at the last word in Nick's post. CBT, in one of >> the communities I associate with, has a far different meaning than, I >> think, Nick intended. And I would be 'they' used it first. >> >> >> >> davew >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Feb 15, 2023, at 11:19 AM, thompnicks...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> FWiW, I willmake every effort to arrive fed to Thuam by 10.30 Mountain. >> I want to hear the experts among you hold forth on WTF a cateogory actually >> IS. I am thinking (duh) that a category is a more or less diffuse node in >> a network of associations (signs, if you must). Hence they constitute a >> vast table of what goes with what, what is predictable from what, etc. >> This accommodates “family resemblance” quite nicely. Do I think animals >> have categories, in this sense, ABSOLUTELY EFFING YES. Does this make me a >> (shudder) nominalist? I hope not. >> >> Words…nouns in particular… confuse this category business. Words place >> constraints on how vague these nodes can be. They impose on the network >> constraints to which it is ill suited. True, the more my associations with >> “horse” line up with your associations with “horse”, the more true the >> horse seems. Following Peirce, I would say that where our nodes >> increasingly correspond with increasing shared experience, we have evidence >> ot the (ultimate) truth of the nodes, their “reality” in Peirce’s terms. >> Here is where I am striving to hang on to Peirce’s realism. >> >> The reason I want the geeks to participate tomorrow is that I keep >> thinking of a semantic webby thing that Steve devised for the Institute >> about a decade ago. Now a semantic web would be a kind of metaphor for an >> associative web; don’t associate with other words in exactly the same >> manner in which experiences associate with other experiences. Still, I >> think the metaphor is interesting. Also, I am kind of re-interested in my >> “authorial voice”, how much it operates like cbt. >> >> >> >> Rushing, >> >> >> >> Nick >> >> >> >> *From:* Friam <friam-boun...@redfish.com> *On Behalf Of *Eric Charles >> >> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 15, 2023 10:29 AM >> >> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group < >> friam@redfish.com> >> >> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Thuram still happening? >> >> >> >> Well shoot..... that would do it.... Thank you! >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Feb 15, 2023 at 12:28 PM Frank Wimberly <wimber...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> Today is Wednesday, isn't it? >> >> --- >> >> Frank C. Wimberly >> >> 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, >> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/140+Calle+Ojo+Feliz,++Santa+Fe,+NM+87505?entry=gmail&source=g> >> >> Santa Fe, NM 87505 >> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/140+Calle+Ojo+Feliz,++Santa+Fe,+NM+87505?entry=gmail&source=g> >> >> >> >> 505 670-9918 >> >> Santa Fe, NM >> >> >> >> On Wed, Feb 15, 2023, 10:19 AM Eric Charles < >> eric.phillip.char...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Are the Thursday online meetings still happening? 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