Well, there's an argument that the Search usage pattern is incompatible with 
next token predictors. E.g. 
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/jun/03/lawyer-chatgpt-research-avianca-statement-ai-risk-openai-deepmind.
 But maybe it depends on what one's searching for?

On 6/19/23 09:43, Roger Critchlow wrote:
There probably already is a law, but no one knows what it is?  The law suffers 
from the same curse as the scientific literature, most of it gets ignored 
because no one has the time to read it all.

So maybe that's what LLM's are for.  We can set one to read the collected works 
of Carl Friederich Gauss, and we'll finally be able to find out how much of 
mathematics he invented/discovered.  We can set one to read the laws of each 
podunk in the US and find out exactly what's permitted and what's forbidden and 
what's hopelessly confused.

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On Mon, Jun 19, 2023 at 10:25 AM Steve Smith <sasm...@swcp.com 
<mailto:sasm...@swcp.com>> wrote:


    glen wrote:
     > IDK. The implication that we already have laws that cover (80%?) of
     > the use cases for new tech we, as a society, want to discourage, is a
     > good default. It resists the "there ought to be a law" sensibility
     > held by old people and curmudgeons everywhere. And it keeps our legal
     > system a little more adaptive than it would be were we to burden it
     > with even more persnickety case-by-case rulings.
     >
     >
    I share your feeling that "there oughtta be a law!" is a red-herring,
    though I don't know about it being that tightly coupled with "old
    people"...  my experience is that people whose experiences and
    sensibilities which are much different from mine are more apt to express
    those sentiments, but I think this related to confirmation bias.  If
    they are shaking their fist with "there oughtta be a law!" sentiments
    about something I feel the same way about it goes right past me, but if
    it is somehow "off" from my alignments it grates.   I find young people
    (when I was in HS, my civics/history/government/etc classes were filled
    with them) full of the more egregious phrase "that's ILLEGAL!" in place
    of "that OFFENDS ME!".   I try to hear "there oughtta be a law" as
    pining for a new and relevant heuristic where the old one(s) don't work
    (well)?


     > The point being that behaviorism is insidious. You are not a shallow
     > narrative comprising Instagram "stories" in the same way ChatGPT is
     > not an organism. But it's not merely behaviorism. There's a similar
     > problem with the concept of an integrated personality
     > <https://dictionary.apa.org/integration 
<https://dictionary.apa.org/integration>>.

    I identify as a self-organized/ing complex adaptive system coupled with
    other complex systems in such a way as to be an all-subsuming (read
    panpsychic) system of systems (nearly-decomposable in Herb Simon's
    sensibilites).   Or in Schwietzer's sensibilities: "I am life which
    wills to live amongst life which wills to live".   Does the biosphere of
    Earth "will to live"? (and in the image of Gaia, does it nurture us, or
    in the image of Medea, does it seek to shed itself of the blight which
    is us?)   How about the solar system or the galaxies or galactic
    clusters?   Maybe not even as much as a jellyfish or an amoeba does...
    but not less than a grain of sand or am molecule or an interstellar photon?

    Depending on the focus/locus of my awareness in a given moment, I am
    likely identified differently... like whether I'm having coffee with an
    old friend, looking through a telescope or microscope, or blathering on
    on FriAM...   an analog to glen's "homunculii"?   I think I can be
    episodic and diachronic, or is it only an episodic identity who can
    actually imagine both while diachronics are forever shut off from the
    experience of being episodic?  Or is it an illusion like "free will"
    (pervasive and undeniable, yet nevertheless an illusion)?

    Is this not the point of holidays like Juneteenth (not formed but maybe
    exploited by Hallmark?), to focus our awareness (and therefore
    identity?) on a subset of "life which wills to live" that we normally do
    not (fathers day, juneteenth, independence day, thanksgiving, new years,
    etc.)?



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