It's as good as the training set, sure.   But the training set is richer than 
anything human individuals will ever absorb.   At some point there will be so 
much consolidation that a company like Amazon won't have to worry about 
paywalls.  For example, Bezos has the Washington Post.  

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From: Friam <friam-boun...@redfish.com> On Behalf Of glen
Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2024 9:59 AM
To: friam@redfish.com
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] words

Hm. I suppose it's worth a shot. If we prompt with "All energy in the universe 
is expressed in motion. All motion is expressed in waves. All waves are curved. 
So where do the straight lines come from to make the Platonic solids?" Then 
it's possible the LLM would complete that with "There are no straight lines. So 
when I took the flower of life and opened it properly, I found all new wave 
conjugations that expose the in-between spaces. It's the thing that holds us 
all together." But I sincerely doubt it.

But maybe by "have to have", you mean that an LLM *could* be trained (and/or 
structured) to bias toward rare expressions/concepts in its training set 
instead of more common ones.

On 5/30/24 09:01, Marcus Daniels wrote:
> I'm not going to watch Joe Rogan, 😊 but I think LLMs don't have to have this 
> homogenous mean problem.  They capture a distribution, so it is a question of 
> the inference procedure to sample from it.  What is the (beam) search 
> algorithm, how deep does it go, and what is the sampling temperature.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Friam <friam-boun...@redfish.com> On Behalf Of glen
> Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2024 1:09 PM
> To: friam@redfish.com
> Subject: [FRIAM] words
> 
> Terrence Howard | Full Address and Q&A | Oxford Union 
> https://youtu.be/ca1vIYmGyYA?si=vhbtA5WUX1CV8LZH
> 
> Joe Rogan Experience #2152 - Terrence Howard
> https://youtu.be/g197xdRZsW0?si=kFTa7lQJI1lKA6R1
> 
> I just can't help but wonder how many people, while listening to Howard talk, 
> realize they're interacting with a sick individual (who deserves compassion 
> but does not deserve gullibility). Or how many people are (like Rogan seems 
> to have been) ... uh ... hypnotized by Howard's well-crafted word salad. In 
> this LLM era, where many people, including some on this list, are enthralled 
> by random bullshit, it seems like a reasonable thing to wonder about. 
> Luckily, the clear cognitive power Howard exhibits puts him in some kind of 
> rare quantile. So our LLMs, being driven mostly to a homogenous mean, their 
> random bullshit will, by definition, match those of us within 1 or a few 
> sigma and suppress the weirdest among us.
> 
> Being a fan of steel-manning, I'm having a bit of a crisis. The paradox of 
> tolerance tells me that we absolutely must call bullshit at some point, even 
> if it's not ruthless. Those Oxford Union attendees danced around egging him 
> on and calling him out. Is this what the kids call "cringe"? Do we just 
> cringe and tolerate it? Or, like Rogan, pretend to credibility relying on his 
> weirdness to be so weird that it'll disappear into the tails? Or should we be 
> deplatforming the bullshit?
> 


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