I have always assumed that is an exercise in asserting dominance. Who is boss? Might it be me?
Many years ago, when I was curious about blue Weimaraners, having bumped into a pair in Santa Fe, I went to read “The Weim Page” (not the AKC breed page, but in that direction). I remember a nicely written line on who should consider getting one: “Weimaraners have a `someone must lead’ mentality. Make sure you are living under your rules, because you won’t like his.” Eric > On Jul 17, 2024, at 1:51 AM, Marcus Daniels <mar...@snoutfarm.com> wrote: > > Ok, here’s another example. My dog paws at me when I’m sitting on the > couch. At first it appeared to be an expression of affection. Then I > realized what she really wanted: Move and give her the space. She did the > same thing with her male sibling (a dog), and he would get rattled and walk > away. > > From: Friam <friam-boun...@redfish.com> On Behalf Of Nicholas Thompson > Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2024 9:43 AM > To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com> > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Why the Mystery of Consciousness Is Deeper Than We > Thought > > Hi, All, > > Some;body on this thread suggested that I read the recent article on whale > communication research in Hah-Vud Mag. It was interesting, but it left me > screaming and beating the magazine with my fists in many places. > > If anybody would like to chat about it, I am here for that. Two comments to > poke the fire a bit: > > If this is to be the first time we communicate with another species, what on > earth have i been doing with my dog, all these years? > > If you want to understand an alien intelligence, you sure as hell don't > start with human based categories. You start with a broader perspective and > place both the human and the alien within it. Ethology got started because > its predecessor, comparative psychology, was obsessed with imposing human > categories on animals. Finding out what birdsong is actually doing has been > slowed up for generations by the twin metaphors of music and language. > > Beware lure of charismatic science. Just remember, charisma is a transaction > between an individual and an audience in which the individual engages > unspoken needs of the audience and the audience rewards him/her with > notoriety Most humans are desperate to have their preconceptions confirmed. > > AAAAARGH! > > n > > > On Thu, Jul 4, 2024 at 7:26 PM Jochen Fromm <j...@cas-group.net> wrote: > I don't get Philip Goff: first we send our children 20 years to school, from > Kindergarten to college and university, to teach them all kinds of languages, > and then we wonder how they can be conscious. It will be the same for AI: > first we spend millions and millions to train them all available knowledge, > and then we wonder how they can develop understanding of language and > consciousness... > https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-mystery-of-consciousness-is-deeper-than-we-thought/ > > -J. > > -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom > https://bit.ly/virtualfriam > to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ > archives: 5/2017 thru present > https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ > 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/ > > > -- > Nicholas S. 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