Good point. Hermann Weyl, John von Neumann, Albert Einstein, Erich Fromm and
Hannah Arendt went to the US because they were Jewish. Enrico Fermi emmigrated
to the US because his wife was Jewish. Just read his biography "Enrico Fermi:
The Last Man Who Knew Everything" which says he stayed in Italy even under
Mussolini until Mussolini started to implement Hitler's antisemitic laws.
Maybe one could say academic freedom is one of the highest freedoms because it
depends on freedom of speech *and* freedom of religion.-J.
-------- Original message --------From: glen <[email protected]> Date:
4/21/25 8:02 PM (GMT+01:00) To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [FRIAM]
Academic Freedom Is this true, though? I think we're at risk of a fallacy. An
equally plausible proposition is that scientists go where their objects of
study exist. It might be right to say that academics migrate to free spaces.
But the overlap between scientists and academics isn't crisp.Similarly, I
guess, we might assume scientists have diverse/divergent non-scientific aspects
of their whole person[ality]. (Renee' commented a lot on how many of the people
we met peri-SFI were artists or musicians - but I know a lot of non-scientists
and non-academics who have at least as much diversity in their ...
extracurricular activities.) And if we make that assumption, then the damage a
lack of freedom does to the rest of their person might also damage their
science.But then we might have to argue that "creatives" would tend to migrate
to places with more freedom. Is that true? I doubt it. Personally, it seems to
me like some of the most oppressive societies/circumstances generate some of
the most beautiful art. Think of poor people in Apalachia and all that string
music ... or Irish music during the potato famine ... or Arabic heavy
metal.Taken to its conclusion, we could argue that environmental stressors
generate diversity, even if only anastomotically. So we'd see more "freedom" in
oppressive contexts and more homegeny in "freer" contexts.On 4/21/25 10:44 AM,
Jochen Fromm wrote:> Scientists tend to go to places where academic freedom
exists. For example when the Nazis came to power in Germany scientists
abandoned prestigious universities like the one in Göttingen which was famous
for Mathematics and Quantum Mechanics. Oppenheimer and Dirac studied there.
Wikipedia says> > "Most of them fled Nazi Germany for places like the United
States, Canada, and the United Kingdom. Following the great purge, in 1934
David Hilbert, by then a symbol of German mathematics, was dining with Bernhard
Rust, the Nazi minister of education. Rust asked, "How is mathematics at
Göttingen, now that it is free from the Jewish influence?" Hilbert replied,
"There is no mathematics in Göttingen anymore">
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_G%C3%B6ttingen> > -J.> > > --------
Original message --------> From: Nicholas Thompson <[email protected]>>
Date: 4/21/25 7:32 PM (GMT+01:00)> To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity
Coffee Group <[email protected]>> Subject: [FRIAM] Academic Freedom> > What has
happened in my lifetime is that much that I once took to be inarguable has now
become arguable, including the plain meaning of the constitution and Academic
Freedom. Academic Freedom is a relatively new idea , dating back to the early
19th century German universities, or the foundation of the AAUP in the early
20th Century, or perhaps to the sixties. In the late 19th Century, university
presidents were still hiring and firing faculty members at will, indeed,
trading faculties back and forth like baseball teams. I love the Yeats quote
and grateful to have it put before us, but it depends for its force on our
agreeing what the center is. At twenty, I thought that history was a ratchet
and "progress" irreversible. (Why would anybody want to go back?) But the
center of the sixties is the center no more. And if ideas like "no person is
above the law" and "people in Universities should be free to teach what their
reason tells them is true" are to become the center > again, it will because
hard work makes it so. It is not for nothing that university curricula are
called the Liberal Arts. The Liberal Arts are an ideological position that
many Americans have come to detest. If they detest "us", it is because of our
assumption that the position we hold IS the center. There are lots of people
who believe that a form of government which cannot give them Christian
Nationalism, rigorously defined sex roles, and white, male, privilege is not a
form of government they want to live under. The center is creeping in their
direction. Is this the center we want to hold?> > nick-- ¡sıɹƎ ןıɐH ⊥ ɐןןǝdoɹ
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