It’s interesting how similar the whistler waves sound (in a quick and 
low-volume listening, by me) to the sound of wrench-taps on large-antenna 
guywires.  If I recall, the latter were the sound sample used for ray-guns in 
the early Star Wars movies.  (I have no idea what was done later; maybe they 
kept and re-used the same samples.)

Is there a good reason the time-frequency distribution should be (auditorily, 
at low volume, to me) similar in the ionosphere-waveguide and tensed-steel 
media?  I guess if I weren’t lazy, this is a topic in my domains, and I could 
go try to answer that question myself.

Eric



> On Sep 11, 2025, at 2:47, Jon Zingale <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> Wow, two decades ago. I wish more old people were like him.
> 
> On Wed, Sep 10, 2025 at 11:43 AM Jon Zingale <[email protected] 
> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>> """
>> I found this entertaining, like all her videos:
>> 
>> Part 6: You cannot hear radio waves.
>> https://youtu.be/0j4_-7rwWjE?si=9XKhErO03LQLPgvp&t=3910
>> 
>> I like the genre "noise". But some of my friends who are true fans have some 
>> perverse tastes in music. E.g. a couple of them *hate* what they call 
>> "noodling" ... like Joe Satriani or Yngwie Malmsteen ... mostly sounds like 
>> they're playing scales. They argue that chords and rhythm guitar, as well as 
>> drums, are way more interesting/entertaining to them. I find that somewhat 
>> contradictory. It just seems like you can't really be a fan of noise without 
>> liking noodling, at least when it's appropriate ... not gratuitous. But 
>> apophenia's a thing. So maybe noise is an ultimate art form, where the 
>> artist can intend anything she wants without constraining the audience in 
>> their imputation?
>> 
>> Composers *think* they're generating these things. But most mathematicians 
>> are Platonic. Maybe the composers are actually *discovering* music as 
>> opposed to generating it?
>> """
>> 
>> Noise is so wonderful. The only genre.
>> Honestly the album I have listened to the most over the last 5 years:
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISG4YwnikJ0
>> 
>> Lately, two other favorites:
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWHLCHv4PiI
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZ5ZvVZ4jWk
>> 
>> The last one I learned about from Bill Lawvere when he and I had dinner in 
>> Toronto a decade or so ago. He was telling me that when he was a kid, he 
>> would go out into the woods with a military radio and listen to the whistler 
>> effect. He went on to make an analogy to Rota's generalization of mobius 
>> inversion. I thought it was really cool and so he sent me a copy of a 
>> lecture on it that he gave the day I was born.
>> 
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