Once upon a time, I attended, participated in, and even organized, demonstrations, "debates," and speechifying, the contents of which included advocating violence while denigrating and preaching hatred against everyone who might disagree. All in opposition to the prevailing sociopolitical orthodoxy.
I guess the only major difference between then and now was the fact that we spoke the TRUTH and today it is all LIES. davew On Thu, Sep 18, 2025, at 9:57 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > It also reminded me of the days of ruining the visit of the apologists > on campus. > But when they show up with a whole organization to create a bad-faith > spectacle, I could see how arguing would seem pointless and motivate > other approaches. > Ideally the university would know better and stop this stuff. > One way to think about it that these young men are canaries in the coal > mine. They suggest what might be coming next. > -----Original Message----- > From: Friam <[email protected]> On Behalf Of glen > Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2025 7:41 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [FRIAM] argumentation > > The “Debate Me Bro” Grift: How Trolls Weaponized The Marketplace Of > Ideas > https://www.techdirt.com/2025/09/17/the-debate-me-bro-grift-how-trolls-weaponized-the-marketplace-of-ideas/ > > I've ranted about the retreat into informal reasoning because formal > reasoning doesn't seem bushy enough to handle all the vagaries we need > for wild type reasoning. A friend of mine who leans heavily to the > right, but thankfully could not vote for Cheeto Jesus, made the comment > that Kirk was "just trying to talk to people". I regret that I didn't > try to correct him. I did remind him that I spent a lot of my off time > in college surrounded by very aggressive Christians, trying to tell > them how wrong they were. I mean, anyone who engages in that sort of > thing in a place like Texas (where we were) should *know* they're > likely to get shot. I was fine with the risk. And so should Kirk have > been. > > Anywya, it seems to me his assassination is tightly analogous to the > assassination of the United Health CEO. The *damage* Kirk has done to > discourse is analogous to the damage people like Thompson do to health > (not healthcare, but health). Is it the same? No, of course not. Is it > analogous? Yes, I think so. > > And I know lots of people here are tolerant of Sabine. But she's right > there in the pit of vipers with Kirk. This article may help put that in > perspective: > > How the New Atheists Joined the MAHA War on Science > https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/new-atheists-maha-war-on-science.html > > But any of us are susceptible to the attractor. And once you're in it, > *how* do you extract yourself? > > p.s. As usual, Rebecca is fearless: > https://skepchick.org/2025/09/charlie-kirk-and-the-empathy-paradox/ > > -- > ¡sıɹƎ ןıɐH ⊥ ɐןןǝdoɹ ǝ uǝןƃ > ὅτε oi μὲν ἄλλοι κύνες τοὺς ἐχϑροὺς δάκνουσιν, ἐγὰ δὲ τοὺς φίλους, ἵνα σώσω. > > > .- .-.. .-.. / ..-. --- --- - . .-. ... / .- .-. . / .-- .-. --- -. --. > / ... --- -- . / .- .-. . / ..- ... . ..-. ..- .-.. > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom > https://bit.ly/virtualfriam > to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ > archives: 5/2017 thru present > https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ > 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/ > > .- .-.. .-.. / ..-. --- --- - . .-. ... / .- .-. . / .-- .-. --- -. --. > / ... --- -- . / .- .-. . / ..- ... . ..-. ..- .-.. > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom > https://bit.ly/virtualfriam > to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ > archives: 5/2017 thru present > https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ > 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/ > > Attachments: > * smime.p7s .- .-.. .-.. / ..-. --- --- - . .-. ... / .- .-. . / .-- .-. --- -. --. / ... --- -- . / .- .-. . / ..- ... . ..-. ..- .-.. FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom https://bit.ly/virtualfriam to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/
