I learned a new word this morning: neutrosophy -
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/B9780128181485000011
There's even an association: https://neutrosophic.org/
I don't think neutrosophy's important, at least no more important than any other
multi-valued or non-classical logic. But Dave's comment reminded me of my insomnia and
the consistent feeling of being punked when I read the "for you" suggestions
from philarchive. I can't tell if Dave's joking or not with his all-caps terms. But this
complex dance we do with our language is downright maddening. I never was smart enough to
keep up. And it's getting worse as I get older. I'd never be in Dowd's or Kimmel's
position to be cancelled (by the left or right) because I'm an equal opportunity
offender. Luckily most people write me off and don't think too hard about whatever noises
come out of my mouth. And I like it that way. Would that more of us were more thoughtless.
On 9/18/25 9:15 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote:
The thing I noticed about the response to this event was the boilerplate
statements by pundits and politicians on the left.
The one person that said something sort of reasonable (Matthew Dowd) was
immediately fired by MSNBC.
It is not a good use of law enforcement resources to prioritize the protection
of people that create safety risks to themselves and others for no good reason.
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From: Friam <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Prof David West
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2025 9:05 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] argumentation
Once upon a time, I attended, participated in, and even organized, demonstrations,
"debates," and speechifying, the contents of which included advocating violence
while denigrating and preaching hatred against everyone who might disagree. All in
opposition to the prevailing sociopolitical orthodoxy.
I guess the only major difference between then and now was the fact that we
spoke the TRUTH and today it is all LIES.
davew
On Thu, Sep 18, 2025, at 9:57 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote:
It also reminded me of the days of ruining the visit of the apologists
on campus.
But when they show up with a whole organization to create a bad-faith
spectacle, I could see how arguing would seem pointless and motivate
other approaches.
Ideally the university would know better and stop this stuff.
One way to think about it that these young men are canaries in the
coal mine. They suggest what might be coming next.
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From: Friam <[email protected]> On Behalf Of glen
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2025 7:41 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [FRIAM] argumentation
The “Debate Me Bro” Grift: How Trolls Weaponized The Marketplace Of
Ideas
https://www.techdirt.com/2025/09/17/the-debate-me-bro-grift-how-trolls
-weaponized-the-marketplace-of-ideas/
I've ranted about the retreat into informal reasoning because formal
reasoning doesn't seem bushy enough to handle all the vagaries we need
for wild type reasoning. A friend of mine who leans heavily to the
right, but thankfully could not vote for Cheeto Jesus, made the
comment that Kirk was "just trying to talk to people". I regret that I
didn't try to correct him. I did remind him that I spent a lot of my
off time in college surrounded by very aggressive Christians, trying
to tell them how wrong they were. I mean, anyone who engages in that
sort of thing in a place like Texas (where we were) should *know*
they're likely to get shot. I was fine with the risk. And so should
Kirk have been.
Anywya, it seems to me his assassination is tightly analogous to the
assassination of the United Health CEO. The *damage* Kirk has done to
discourse is analogous to the damage people like Thompson do to health
(not healthcare, but health). Is it the same? No, of course not. Is it
analogous? Yes, I think so.
And I know lots of people here are tolerant of Sabine. But she's right
there in the pit of vipers with Kirk. This article may help put that
in
perspective:
How the New Atheists Joined the MAHA War on Science
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/new-atheists-maha-war-on-scien
ce.html
But any of us are susceptible to the attractor. And once you're in it,
*how* do you extract yourself?
p.s. As usual, Rebecca is fearless:
https://skepchick.org/2025/09/charlie-kirk-and-the-empathy-paradox/
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