Hi Steve, This was the Wikipedia link Glen had in this paragraph, in the same post I replied to:
> Changing gears a bit, I ran across the "as if" personality > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Identity_disturbance>. I can't help but wonder > about a room full of agents "concealing their inner emptiness, living *as if* > they had genuine feelings and desires." >8^D I'm at risk of Get-Off-My-Lawn, > here. But 90% of the time, when I'm in a room with more than, say, 5 people, > it *feels* to me like they're all philosophical zombies, maybe me included. > I don’t know more than whatever I might have learned to parrot from reading that link…. E > On Dec 2, 2025, at 12:35, Steve Smith <[email protected]> wrote: > > EricS - > > I'd like to hear more on this tangent (identity-stability) in the broadest > sense (my focus would be abstract markov blankets, active inferencing, > "nearly decomposable systems") if possible. > > Not sure if the abstractions of emergent self-other can be reached from this > discussion or not. > >> Back to Glen’s branch in the above thread, I could probably imagine an >> analysis in which some of these distinctions do propagate up to how identity >> is formed, and whether or in what ways it is stable or unstable, as in >> borderline personality disorders and associated. Or maybe not, and the >> identity-stability question is a distinct matter (?). >> >> Anyway, thanks for patience or indulgence if anybody read this far, >> >> Eric > > .- .-.. .-.. / ..-. --- --- - . .-. ... / .- .-. . / .-- .-. --- -. --. / ... > --- -- . / .- .-. . / ..- ... . ..-. ..- .-.. > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom > https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fbit.ly%2fvirtualfriam&c=E,1,614F30ECNYgyDc66kuLWhQykVSKqlBdNUOoZWy5-7iMCIrG33R64vRcENRBTDrmWIOc8DE2r1S-6TgF12lmWZXy3pRqEev506yKLAyGUeB7REPE,&typo=1 > to (un)subscribe > https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=http%3a%2f%2fredfish.com%2fmailman%2flistinfo%2ffriam_redfish.com&c=E,1,87BdRDyxUBMbz922eWPUV8xEHJdEHpEjrHdccHcZfkflLzh0iJ-Xhm5d4eBM9gt7sgX7Wr4k2-U3QLC8tELCQSK1ECYvVN7TKwBWEO1a&typo=1 > FRIAM-COMIC > https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=http%3a%2f%2ffriam-comic.blogspot.com%2f&c=E,1,RxFh6vgv4wXCMJY2z2iBbcD_h2m6y216qvI38gd7R_z57SPgOGxGUEs538tTLVc62yv73BvkqPofnQlQWzG0QAsHhtD4cGBveY7KvheNyYYa&typo=1 > archives: 5/2017 thru present > https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fredfish.com%2fpipermail%2ffriam_redfish.com%2f&c=E,1,jsbHBWFZBXK9mCmUqALVK0J-fGtHzOJV67KWp25haLXO6dkx5wE9p0qIvPnR17b4SLvNpiVRgS3Oj9NQv3KIxDoiLAizGOx7jWl-Rlhy5Q,,&typo=1 > 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/
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