I wouldn’t say twilight, Jon, except in the sense that nothing is stationary 
and the overwhelm of obligations does only ratchet one way.  But that’s just 
mechanics.

I continue to be reading as heavily as I can, trying to get a clear picture of 
things that are going on, as there is a lot going on.  

But I guess I would say that the state of my engagement with the world is 
moving (growing? or just updating?) in something like the way my engagement 
with my work is.  

In the early stages, when I hadn’t tried anything before, the ability to try 
something made that seem like enough to talk about.  Much of it didn’t satisfy 
standards of really “meaning” something, and the various objections and 
complaints over the years enabled me to come into a more rounded understanding 
of that.  It didn’t make the first efforts bad — one does what one can do at 
any given stage — and coming to understand their considerable shallowness 
wasn’t any disappointment or resignation.  It was a kind of appropriate 
growing.  But that also meant that the early efforts are not proper models for 
the efforts I need to be making now.  I still need to try to come up with 
things that “mean” something.  The standards involve more to check, my 
industriousness is poorer, but my tools and experience have expanded somewhat.  
So on balance, there is still a way to put effort into each day.

About this I am not morose, only aware that there is a lot that needs better 
clarity than I currently see how to give it, and in dealing with current things 
as in dealing with work, it becomes increasingly not-okay for me to settle for 
bullshit (at whatever level I am currently capable of telling which part that 
is).

There is an interesting freedom in this, too.  By some bizarreness, I haven’t 
been thrown out of science yet, despite the fact that I never produced any of 
the standard metrics for being allowed to stay.  The fact that the shadow of 
any future that can be used to threaten me isn’t all that long now, enables me 
to try to go after questions that really seem compelling to me, and to be slow 
or intermittent on making headway on them if that’s how it works out, and not 
being too distracted by the fact that to anybody outside looking in, it seems 
that I am terribly unproductive.  I have watched other old people give up 
things that involve unknowable latencies, because they have lost the illusion 
of having unlimited time.  (As if it mattered for them to get something done, 
irrespective of what that thing was.)  If I can avoid taking that turn, I would 
like to do so.  

The accretion of obligations is a problem, for sure.  Like you mentioned, and 
Glen seconded, I rarely read books any more.  Though in something like acts of 
defiance (or ridiculousness), I still buy them from time to time because I wish 
to have learned what is in them.  (It’s just all the other littler stuff that I 
am obligated to read, or to do, that keeps getting in the way.)  That sets back 
having things to say as well, since one has to actually _do_ something new to 
have a reason to _say_ something new.  But again, that limitation isn’t even 
interesting, since I think it is more or less the situation of everybody.

So I continue to watch, and look forward to when something comes up that 
propels me, on its own, to engage with it.  On list, or off.  And of course, if 
I manage to accomplish _having_ a thought about something engaging, I will 
enjoy sending it.

Eric



> On Feb 3, 2026, at 19:45, Jon Zingale <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> I know I came to this group in what appears to be its twilight. The in-person 
> meetups are weirdly sad. I feel pressed to ask if it is the case that 
> everyone is either:
> 
> 1. on vacation/ too busy
> 2. too depressed / failing to find inspiration
> 3. moved on to greener forums
> 4. preferring the company of LLMs
> ...
> N. waiting for someone frail to post
> 
> Sometimes I trawl reddit or whatever discord, but I cannot help but feel like 
> beacons of inspiration are becoming fewer and further between. This group has 
> managed to inspire me, keep my interest, for over a decade. In that time, I 
> pushed myself to understand perspectives that I would never have dreamed 
> existed. I hope there is still something to talk about.
> 
> 
> 
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