Ok, so here is an example of the KIND of thing we might have discussed at a
FRIAM meeting in the old days:


NICK:  iF friction is negligible between two layers, how in fact do two
layers come to affect one another?

FRIAM MOB::  (affectionate exasperation)  When you have read a physics
book, a philosophy book, and 8 math books, come back and we'll explain it
to you.

NICK TO MOB:  Nuthn' doin'.  If you are so smart, you should be able to
explain it to me NOW.

MOB TO NICK:  Oh, God.  Do we have to?  OH, OKAAAAAAAAAAY.

SUB MOB  1 TO NICK:  Any idiot knows that THIS is how it works

SUB MOB 2  TO NICK:  Any idiot knows  that THAT is how it works.

NICK TO MOBS:  Any idiot knows that THIS and THAT can't both  be true.

ETC.

I learned almost everything I know from those conversations.  I miss them
terribly.

Nick







On Wed, Feb 4, 2026 at 11:32 AM Gary Schiltz <[email protected]>
wrote:

> My feeling is that there was a bubble of activity in Santa Fe about
> complexity in the late 1990s (see Wired’s article about “Silicon Mesa”)
> that burst in about 2001. Many who were there are now old farts 😆
>
> On Tue, Feb 3, 2026 at 7:47 PM Jon Zingale <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> I know I came to this group in what appears to be its twilight. The
>> in-person meetups are weirdly sad. I feel pressed to ask if it is the case
>> that everyone is either:
>>
>> 1. on vacation/ too busy
>> 2. too depressed / failing to find inspiration
>> 3. moved on to greener forums
>> 4. preferring the company of LLMs
>> ...
>> N. waiting for someone frail to post
>>
>> Sometimes I trawl reddit or whatever discord, but I cannot help but feel
>> like beacons of inspiration are becoming fewer and further between. This
>> group has managed to inspire me, keep my interest, for over a decade. In
>> that time, I pushed myself to understand perspectives that I would never
>> have dreamed existed. I hope there is still something to talk about.
>>
>>
>>
>>
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