On Wed, Jul 9, 2008 at 8:29 AM, Miklos Vajna <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 08, 2008 at 05:12:47PM -0400, Cory Burgett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
>> Having so many ISOs is confusing and uses up too much unnecessary space. It
>> would be trivial for someone to just download CD1 and the individual
>> packages they needed to make custom package CDs for offline installation.
>> Really, most users will only want/need the DVD or CD1/CD2 (or netinstall of
>> course). From there, they can torch their own package CDs if they need
>> them.
>
> http://frugalware.org/docs/install#_choosing_installation_flavor
>
> we link this part of the documentation in each release announcement. is
> it really confusing once one read it over?
>
>> As an alternative to hosting all the ISOs (and thereby duplicating the
>> hosted packages), why not do something like Debian's jigdo? Just a thought
>> :)
>
> that's already done, it's called 'mkiso' and it's installed by default
> on all Frugalware systems ;)
>
> if we really want to cut something down, i would propose to stop
> releasing cd images, just release netinstall/dvd ones. this will hurt
> anybody who has only cd writer and no dvd writer + no direct internet
> connection. i have no idea what percentage of users are affected.
>
> (of course then it would be nice to prepare users for this, like:
> mention that the next stable release won't come with cd images in the
> 0.9 announcement then release 0.9+1 without cd images.)

First - I want to vote that the CD ISOs *not* be removed completely.
I agree with Cory that perhaps cutting back to CDs 1 & 2 may be
feasible.  I have no idea what the 'mkiso' tool does but I'll read up
on that.

My point was much the same as Cory's - if the CD ISOs contain copies
of packages already contained elsewhere on the mirror, why would
anyone be downloading the ISOs instead of selected packages?  Once you
have a basic Frugalware installation, you can then enter the command
"pacman-g2 -Sp package1 package2 package3 package4", redirect this to
a file, then feed this into wget/curl and *bingo*, you have the
packages downloaded.

Maybe there's something I'm missing here?  I understand that for an
inexperienced person, it's easier to say "download all the CD ISOs",
but if they're downloading ISOs for no benefit, it's simply a waste of
their bandwidth.


May you always be Frugal,

Russell Dickenson (AKA phayz)
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