> if this happened all FD members would go broke because they are kiddies > who rely on automated tools for everything
While this may be true, it doesn't mean that they couldn't be a useful resource. If you're a script kiddie and you have no money, maybe you have access to devices that others don't. Scan them, fingerprint them, help ensure all the common tools accurately recognize them. If you wind up with a little extra cash and maybe you don't feel like outright 'donating' it to someone... then maybe buy yourself some piece of industrial control/PLC related gear off ebay that has an ethernet port and runs ModBus tcp and/or whatever else. I checked, there is some fun stuff out there. Maybe you work full/part time at a plant or factory and have access to gear during downtime or whatever. Or someone's mother/father works for a company that makes the stuff and has some demo pieces they can sign out for a while. Or you're a rotten miscreant and you know where you can access some... in which case bumping (http://www.toool.nl/bumping.pdf) and picking (http://www.lysator.liu.se/mit-guide/MITLockGuide.pdf) locks are fun and easy pursuits which folks with next to no resources can pursue. _______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/