> I would be extremely interested to learn details of how a stateful firewall in
> front of a server saved a company, when stateless ACLs in hardware-based
> network infrastructure devices would've led to failure.  Seriously, if you 
> don't
> mind outlining the scenario, I think it would be very instructive.

I'd be happy to - I too would like to dive a bit deeper into what your points 
are as I find them interesting as well.  Let's take it offline - you can share 
back with the group if you feel it valuable.

t

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