By the way, to reply to a certain n3td3v... "locating anything" does not imply being "clueless on what's going on", which seems to be their on-going issue.
While at it, a reply to Thor, just to switch subjects for a bit; shield law doesn't apply when a journalist/reporter falsifies information to get low against the AA (in this case). Since the judge and the prosecuted are one and the same (the AA), I think it is a considerably dangerous situation to go against them. That's the only notch of credibility I'm giving to the article. A response from the AA could easily crush that trust. Cheers, Chris. On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 10:24 PM, Christian Sciberras <uuf6...@gmail.com>wrote: > Well, I know a local datacenter (can't be more than 10 years old) makes use > of a Faraday cage around it. > And it doesn't really keep any mission-critical equipment, so I guess > others out there do the same. > > Depending on the type of cage/shielding (don't know about the local one) it > can completely block communications... > > > > > > > On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 10:17 PM, Michael Schmidt > <mschm...@drugstore.com>wrote: > >> I have no idea, I assume – this is usually what they mean when they talk >> about an “air barrier”**** >> >> ** ** >> >> *From:* evejou [mailto:g...@techn0ev3.net] >> *Sent:* Monday, October 10, 2011 1:04 PM >> *To:* Michael Schmidt >> *Cc:* Thor (Hammer of God); Christian Sciberras; Michael T; >> full-disclosure@lists.grok.org.uk >> >> *Subject:* Re: [Full-disclosure] “We keep wiping it off, and it keeps >> coming back”**** >> >> ** ** >> >> As someone kind of young (and thus no historical recollection), I'm kind >> of surprised that this is talked about in past-tense. Does this not happen >> anymore? I could see how this could get super annoying after awhile.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> ** ** >> >> On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 2:09 PM, Michael Schmidt <mschm...@drugstore.com> >> wrote:**** >> >> I know in the old days (15 years ago) – there were networks that were >> completely separate from the outside world. I remember trying to do >> telephone tech support to someone on a secure network…**** >> >> **** >> >> Tell him to do “this”**** >> >> He puts down the phone, goes through physical security, tries “this”**** >> >> He comes back though security picks up phone talks to me.**** >> >> **** >> >> Security allowed nothing that looked like portable storage in or out of >> the secure area.**** >> >> **** >> >> Rinse.**** >> >> Repeat.**** >> >> **** >> >> Couldn’t even place outside voice calls from the secure network area. I >> don’t know if they do this today. I also know that there used to be setups >> with removable hard drives where one drive connected you to the secure >> network and yet another drive connected to the unsecure network. – Two >> different network cards each enabled for different networks.**** >> >> **** >> >> The good old days**** >> >> **** >> >> *From:* full-disclosure-boun...@lists.grok.org.uk [mailto: >> full-disclosure-boun...@lists.grok.org.uk] *On Behalf Of *Thor (Hammer of >> God) >> *Sent:* Monday, October 10, 2011 10:36 AM >> *To:* Christian Sciberras; Michael T**** >> >> >> *Cc:* full-disclosure@lists.grok.org.uk >> *Subject:* Re: [Full-disclosure] “We keep wiping it off, and it keeps >> coming back”**** >> >> **** >> >> Consider the source. It’s “someone close” to the operations, and that >> only according to this guy. It could very well be a slot-puller in the >> casino across the street… I’m always dubious of the reporting of this type >> of thing where the source is some “secret” person, and where there is never >> any ability to refute claims.**** >> >> **** >> >> t**** >> >> **** >> >> *From:* full-disclosure-boun...@lists.grok.org.uk >> [mailto:full-disclosure-boun...@lists.grok.org.uk] *On Behalf Of *Christian >> Sciberras >> *Sent:* Monday, October 10, 2011 7:05 AM >> *To:* Michael T >> *Cc:* full-disclosure@lists.grok.org.uk >> *Subject:* Re: [Full-disclosure] “We keep wiping it off, and it keeps >> coming back”**** >> >> **** >> >> I'm talking more about their engineers than their network.**** >> >> **** >> >> If I had my network infected with a virus, I'd immediately deploy some >> form of logging/monitoring tool (eg, wireshark).**** >> >> **** >> >> Honestly, it all sounds like they're employing inexperienced engineers. >> Which is again strange, considering the field they're in.**** >> >> **** >> >> Regarding your bet, see that's already something. Why exactly can't they >> verify your bet? It isn't like viruses suddenly became invisible, is it?* >> *** >> >> **** >> >> I'm just curious to these questions. It's strange to hear someone saying >> "we basically have no idea what's going on".**** >> >> **** >> >> **** >> >> On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 3:40 PM, Michael T <mt2410...@gmail.com> wrote:** >> ** >> >> It's a network that's 'detached', or 'segregated', or whatevered from the >> rest of the world, so it's 'largely immune to viruses'. That likely means >> they have: >> 1. NO logging >> 2. NO anti-virus >> 3. NO hardening >> >> The very fact that these systems are on a segregated network means they >> are probably more frail, and more susceptible to viruses, than a normal >> person's laptop. >> >> Immune to viruses... What a crock of shit. My bet is that it's coming >> from the planes. >> >> Mike**** >> >> On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 7:51 AM, Christian Sciberras <uuf6...@gmail.com> >> wrote:**** >> >> http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2011/10/virus-hits-drone-fleet/**** >> >> **** >> >> This is news to me.**** >> >> **** >> >> Moreover, I'm a bit confused as to how they don't track how it's coming >> back.**** >> >> I mean, how is it possible that no one stepped in and analyzed how the >> virus acts and where it came from?**** >> >> **** >> >> It sounds fish if you ask me.**** >> >> **** >> >> Chris.**** >> >> **** >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. >> Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html >> Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/**** >> >> **** >> >> **** >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. >> Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html >> Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/**** >> >> >> >> **** >> >> ** ** >> >> -- >> --- >> g...@techn0ev3.net >> >> Finché c'è vita, c'è speranza. >> As long as there is life, there is hope. **** >> > >
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