As someone kind of young (and thus no historical recollection), I'm kind of surprised that this is talked about in past-tense. Does this not happen anymore? I could see how this could get super annoying after awhile.
On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 2:09 PM, Michael Schmidt <mschm...@drugstore.com>wrote: > I know in the old days (15 years ago) – there were networks that were > completely separate from the outside world. I remember trying to do > telephone tech support to someone on a secure network…**** > > ** ** > > Tell him to do “this”**** > > He puts down the phone, goes through physical security, tries “this”**** > > He comes back though security picks up phone talks to me.**** > > ** ** > > Security allowed nothing that looked like portable storage in or out of the > secure area.**** > > ** ** > > Rinse.**** > > Repeat.**** > > ** ** > > Couldn’t even place outside voice calls from the secure network area. I > don’t know if they do this today. I also know that there used to be setups > with removable hard drives where one drive connected you to the secure > network and yet another drive connected to the unsecure network. – Two > different network cards each enabled for different networks.**** > > ** ** > > The good old days**** > > ** ** > > *From:* full-disclosure-boun...@lists.grok.org.uk [mailto: > full-disclosure-boun...@lists.grok.org.uk] *On Behalf Of *Thor (Hammer of > God) > *Sent:* Monday, October 10, 2011 10:36 AM > *To:* Christian Sciberras; Michael T > > *Cc:* full-disclosure@lists.grok.org.uk > *Subject:* Re: [Full-disclosure] “We keep wiping it off, and it keeps > coming back”**** > > ** ** > > Consider the source. It’s “someone close” to the operations, and that only > according to this guy. It could very well be a slot-puller in the casino > across the street… I’m always dubious of the reporting of this type of > thing where the source is some “secret” person, and where there is never any > ability to refute claims.**** > > ** ** > > t**** > > ** ** > > *From:* full-disclosure-boun...@lists.grok.org.uk > [mailto:full-disclosure-boun...@lists.grok.org.uk] *On Behalf Of *Christian > Sciberras > *Sent:* Monday, October 10, 2011 7:05 AM > *To:* Michael T > *Cc:* full-disclosure@lists.grok.org.uk > *Subject:* Re: [Full-disclosure] “We keep wiping it off, and it keeps > coming back”**** > > ** ** > > I'm talking more about their engineers than their network.**** > > ** ** > > If I had my network infected with a virus, I'd immediately deploy some form > of logging/monitoring tool (eg, wireshark).**** > > ** ** > > Honestly, it all sounds like they're employing inexperienced engineers. > Which is again strange, considering the field they're in.**** > > ** ** > > Regarding your bet, see that's already something. Why exactly can't they > verify your bet? It isn't like viruses suddenly became invisible, is it?** > ** > > ** ** > > I'm just curious to these questions. It's strange to hear someone saying > "we basically have no idea what's going on".**** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 3:40 PM, Michael T <mt2410...@gmail.com> wrote:*** > * > > It's a network that's 'detached', or 'segregated', or whatevered from the > rest of the world, so it's 'largely immune to viruses'. That likely means > they have: > 1. NO logging > 2. NO anti-virus > 3. NO hardening > > The very fact that these systems are on a segregated network means they are > probably more frail, and more susceptible to viruses, than a normal person's > laptop. > > Immune to viruses... What a crock of shit. My bet is that it's coming > from the planes. > > Mike**** > > On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 7:51 AM, Christian Sciberras <uuf6...@gmail.com> > wrote:**** > > http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2011/10/virus-hits-drone-fleet/**** > > ** ** > > This is news to me.**** > > ** ** > > Moreover, I'm a bit confused as to how they don't track how it's coming > back.**** > > I mean, how is it possible that no one stepped in and analyzed how the > virus acts and where it came from?**** > > ** ** > > It sounds fish if you ask me.**** > > ** ** > > Chris.**** > > ** ** > > _______________________________________________ > Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. > Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html > Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/**** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > _______________________________________________ > Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. > Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html > Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ > -- --- g...@techn0ev3.net Finché c'è vita, c'è speranza. As long as there is life, there is hope.
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