I dont care about *theyre* setup, and i said that, I only stated what CAN be done, in capable hands.. simple. You are reading deep into something, you seem to understand fkall about, seriously.
On 11 October 2011 21:16, Christian Sciberras <uuf6...@gmail.com> wrote: > I already beat you up to it - you know nothing about their setup. > You don't know if their infection is the result of a botnet. > > I don't deny you know anything about botnets, I'm just saying from the > looks of it you jumped to a load of conclusion without any proof whatsoever. > > > > > On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 12:11 PM, xD 0x41 <sec...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> screwit, im a bite, i know my shit here.. >> If i was not so smart, then i guess i would not have a modified ircd wich >> is similar... wow i know.. just seems you dont know crap about c&c botnets , >> thats fo sure. I think i outlined a *good* setup, as i have seen it, or >> would not bothered to state the mods made.. is that simple. wwether it is >> hard t code or not, is not my business, nor i care for.. I just know, how >> they run, and, dont try bs me about what i do and dont know, because on this >> topic son, i have plenty of experience, and could easily match this with an >> AV spokesperson, and would not hesitate to, but what gains it to me ? None. >> I am here for those who give a crap, you sir, no nothing, atall, about >> even the controlling side of a good botnet wich, spreads fast. >> Most people, simply do not want you on them, then the better ones, simply >> hide as users on irc anyhow ;) >> Then again, i wouldnt know shit ey. >> gnite :-) >> have fun trying to pick apart anything with me in this area, i will enjoy >> tearing your anus out, word by word if i have to. >> xd >> >> >> On 11 October 2011 20:29, Christian Sciberras <uuf6...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> If you ask me, you sound like bragging on something you wrote. >>> >>> Either that, or you're clueless to what you are saying. >>> >>> Just because my younger brother won't understand 5 lines of code I wrote >>> doesn't make my 5 liner smart... >>> Applying the analogy here, just because they're possibly clueless to how >>> OS internals work doesn't mean the virus is doing anything particularly >>> smart. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 1:55 AM, xD 0x41 <sec...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Is obvious, this is a very well made executable :) >>>> Or, set up well to spread and then hide, and doing so with even its >>>> phone home, wich is normal nowdays, for example consider an ircd, it uses >>>> PING/PONG, what if you change the rfc, and use ascii characters,then do >>>> this >>>> to the bot, remove USER mode completely only allow it for set modes/opers, >>>> and then try take the thing down, if it is connected thru about 40 >>>> different >>>> ips and does not rely on dynami dns... >>>> it is not impossible, it is happening now, and, it is also visible, >>>> however, these c7c centres are so advanced, Ids are just not getting enough >>>> info...you cannot do a thing on the properly modified control centres, and, >>>> i have seen that code, it is extremely modified version of ircd... it >>>> cannot >>>> be used by a NOn operator, and uses a totally different rfc to phopne home >>>> etc, thus making conventional methods used atm, useless... as they will >>>> loook for the strings that they know, and always ids will perform some >>>> string of commands, and, then slowly the operator sees the servers, and one >>>> by one he blocks YOU out of his network. >>>> This is a dog eat dog world, bot masters can be exceptionallt ingenious >>>> when it comes to these things, and masking an exe nowdays, is not as simple >>>> as some peoples SFX rar kits :) >>>> So even kits nowdays, can be way more advanced than 2008/2009 even... >>>> there has been a burst of tech, so there is also a burst in virus >>>> numbers... but, smart c&c centres, you wont take down so easily, and they >>>> will move before you can even decrypt theyre settings... wich is exactly >>>> why >>>> stuxnet is non stoppable.. unless the owner shuuts it down, it wont be >>>> killed.. >>>> xd >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 11 October 2011 10:45, Bob Dobbs <bobd10...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 4:31 PM, Michael Schmidt < >>>>> mschm...@drugstore.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> If its bot net code and it is behind an air barrier then it will >>>>>> never phone home. They >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> It already broke the "air wall" to get in. It can certainly do so to >>>>> get out. >>>>> >>>>> Bob >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. >>>> Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html >>>> Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ >>>> >>> >>> >> >
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