I don't' want them to be able to remove ANYTHING from a device *I paid for*... 
nothing, nada, zip, ziltch....  I don't care if they say "It's for your 
protection!"

 Who's to say that they decide they will decide to "protect you" from a 
particular title and don't' want you to read Tom Sawyer because of some racial 
slurs in the book, or Moby Dick because it portrays vengeance and obsession.... 
  They can just as easily remove those books, or any book, that "they" deem is 
inappropriate...  or perhaps they'll not allow you to read "Mein Kamph" (sp?) 
simply because it was written by Hitler?

  If I want to read a book that describes how to torture kittens and turn them 
into walking zombies, I have the right to do so without some company saying 
"It's for my protection"....
 If I buy the device, I have the right to use it in ANY manner I see fit... 
period.... 


With that said, it's not something most think about and just go into blindly... 
 For me, It is a tough choice to make though...  If you *really* want to use 
that new gadget, you have to think about the rights that you give up in order 
TO use that new gadget...   
  It was like the choice I had to make 14 years ago to work at my present 
employer...  I'm against drug testing of any kind, but I submitted to a pee 
test to work here.  I made the conscience choice to give up that bit of my 
beliefs, to take a position I really wanted....   I don't' think I'll submit to 
another drug test ever again though... not because I take illegal drugs, I 
don't at all, it's just the principle of it....

 Life is full of choices, it's a shame that most folks (mostly outside this 
list mind you) have no idea what they're giving up if they make some of these 
choices....

 Mike B

Michael P. Blanchard
Senior Security Engineer, CISSP, GCIH, CCSA-NGX, MCSE
Office of Information Security & Risk Management
EMC ² Corporation
32 Coslin Drive
Southboro, MA 01772


-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Buhrmaster [mailto:[email protected]] 
Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 11:06 AM
To: Blanchard, Michael (InfoSec)
Subject: Re: [funsec] Will the digital cloud lead to a deluge of privacy class 
actions?

On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 3:33 PM, Blanchard, Michael (InfoSec)
<[email protected]> wrote:
> Yah, those TOS's have to change....  I had no idea Apple's TOS was so bad...  
> Amazon can wipe your kindle without notice, including wiping all your e-books 
> with zero compensation or return...

And it also allows Apple/Amazon/Google/Microsoft to remove malware remotely.
For the average Joes (few of which are as knowledgeable as this crowd about
their devices) a goodness or a badness?  If the end justifies the means, this is
possibly goodness.  If it is the principal or nothing, then it is
clearly badness.
Tough choices.  I am not sure I have fully internalized where the line needs to
be.

Gary

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