On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 12:06 PM, Blanchard, Michael (InfoSec) <michael.blanch...@emc.com> wrote: > I am FULLY in favor of starting over…. I say there are a couple things that > should happen to “reboot” the government if you will… > > 1) Get rid of Democrat and Republican (and ALL others) labels… Devil's advocate: should it be a multi-party system? Or a 0 party system.
Multi-party systems suffer the same gridlock. Nazi Germany comes to mind with its 10's or 100's or political parties [not an invocation of Godwin's Law]. > 2) This is is *very* important…. FIRE the whole lot of them…. > Everyone that holds an office right now is fired, period. I’d say at a > rep/congressman/gov/president level at least. Sparta - one of the first democracies - had it right. They term limited public officials and put them on trial when their term was over. It was a 'check' in the system. If a public official did nothing wrong, then there was no problem with being investigated and possibly tried. Its funny how we lost that lesson over the last 1000 years or so. > With those 2 steps, we’ll be able to get full fresh blood into all the > offices, AND the people of these United States will actually have to pay > attention to the candidates. Related: I consulted with my lawyer on how to stop Obama from running in 2012. I wanted to file for injunctive relief from the asshole (assuming he would not get a bullet to the head from some pissed-off voter). It's not a crazy as it sounds: In 2008, Obama campaigned on (among others): (1) withdrawal from Iraq; (2) financial industry reform; (3) executive compensation reform; (4) normalization of relations with arab countries; (5) 'reconstituionalize' Guantanamo Bay and the prisoners. We got none of them. That's why I voted for Obama in 2008. The justice system was not equipped for the lawsuit. I had no recourse to redress my grievances - even though he was a candidate at the time and did not enjoy executive privilege. Jeff > From: funsec-boun...@linuxbox.org [mailto:funsec-boun...@linuxbox.org] On > Behalf Of Stephanie Daugherty > Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 6:29 PM > To: Jeffrey Walton > Cc: funsec@linuxbox.org > Subject: Re: [funsec] I'll believe corporations are people when they let > them drive in the HOV lane ... > > > > I've seen calls for direct democracy as a replacement for representative > government. There is a serious danger in that, and that is tyranny of a > majority. Look at Uganda's recent "kill the gays" bill - can we really be > sure that even something as malicious as that couldn't pass here with Faux > News cheerleading it on? > > > > Whatever may take the place of congress in the future, we do have to be > mindful of the "dark side" of democracy - I mean, even in our own history we > once thought slavery and alcohol prohibition were good ideas... > > On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 5:52 PM, Jeffrey Walton <noloa...@gmail.com> wrote: > > On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 5:46 PM, Dan White <dwh...@olp.net> wrote: >> On 02/04/13 17:10 -0500, Jeffrey Walton wrote: >> > >> ... > >>> Don't be hesitant of starting over. Creationist should appreciate the >>> biblical theme - nearly all ancient societies talk about the great >>> flood. Chrisitianity turned it into Noah and the Ark. It should appeal >>> to Evolutionist too. The fall of the dinosaurs led to the rise of the >>> mamals. >>> >>> Starting over at times is righteous and natural. >> >> >> Starting over, without fixing the processes that got us here is just going >> to lead to the same result. Rapid incremental change (to legal code) is >> what's >> going to make the difference, but that's going to require a change in how >> representational government works - as in cutting the representatives out. > > Funny you should bring that up :) > > I was not sure if I was being naive or optomisitic (when I question > myself). Here, I hope the new group who would take their place would > have fortitude, courage, and some sense of equity, morals and justice; > and they would not travel in the same sewers. _______________________________________________ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list.
