Lee,

        I have to disagree with you. If you are thinking of circuits when you
are wireframing your app, then you are "still" not using wireframes
correctly. I am currently moving a prototype into its architecture and
believe me, its not "behind the times", its very easy!

        With the prototype generation, the opensource tools have jumped to the
next level in FLIP. Wireframe the app, create your prototype, then think
about your architecture and move your prototype pages into their
circuits, add your core files and go to work. How much simpler could it
be.

        I have been thinking "beyond the horizon" about the opensource
wireframetool and trying to come up with some "new" ideas for tool. One
idea I had was to keep the prototype config in a wddx file and create an
interface for grouping like functionality and building these into
circuits then generating the site code with fusedocs. This would add the
next logical step to the tool. But then, that takes it from being just a
wireframeing tool to a full-on FLIP tool.

        Dont give up on wireframing, used correctly it 'will' make things much
easier.

Russ

On Tue, 2002-06-18 at 21:53, Lee Foster wrote:
> Yeah.  But no one including myself has sat down and wrote a different
> version that uses circuits or layers.  As it is now it is 2 dimensional
> (single layer) and it was a great ideal at the time.  No kidding it was
> perfect.  Now we have circuits and starting to layer the application and to
> me it has passed it time.  Now we have FuseQ and MVC and who knows what is
> next on the horizon.
> 
> I'm not knocking anyone on this.  I think we should start looking at going 3
> dimensional and with this application giving the ability to creating
> circuits and fuseactions under that.  The only one I thought that came close
> was called Virtual Fusebox but I guess it died.  But like most of you I
> don't have the money and time to invest into it.  I even have this great
> application that would be great for web houses and companies that deal with
> freelancers but I just don't have the money to pay for the development of it
> either.  In truth I have the time but I don't have the money; trying not to
> head into bankruptcy.
> 
> And this is just the way it is.  I've watch Fusebox change from the start
> and it is moving so fast the open source applications can't keep up.  Now I
> think there are some commercial packages that may do what I'm thinking.  At
> this second I can't remember their names.
> 
> This is just my two cents for whatever it is worth.
> 
> 
> Lee Foster
> (e)consultant, Web developer, Web Architect
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Erik Voldengen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 6:04 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: wireframe
> 
> Ish, that's an ugly URL.  Much nicer is:
> 
> http://www.fusium.com/go/rebar
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Beynon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 3:09 PM
> To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
> Subject: RE: wireframe
> http://sourceforge.net/projects/wireframetool/
> 
> or Fusium's version
> 
> http://www.fusium.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=home.buildmaster&bodyFuseaction=v
> iew.aProduct&CONTENTOBJECTID=E03FF592-86FA-47BC-A1CFC91328E1E2EA&OVERRIDE_DE
> BUG_MODE=NO_DEBUG
> <http://www.fusium.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=home.buildmaster&bodyFuseaction=
> view.aProduct&CONTENTOBJECTID=E03FF592-86FA-47BC-A1CFC91328E1E2EA&OVERRIDE_D
> EBUG_MODE=NO_DEBUG>
> 
> HTH,
> 
> john.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tom Schreck [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: 18 June 2002 22:23
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: wireframe
> Where can I download the latest wireframe tool?
> 
> Thanks -
> 
> Tom Schreck
> 817-252-4900
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> I have not failed.  I've found 10,000 ways that won't work.
> 
> - Thomas Edison
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