RE: wireframe

[BORKMAN Lee]

Title: Message

Hi LeeF,   I think that this is just a misunderstanding of what wireframing is intended to accomplish.  The most important thing about wireframing is that it is architecture/language *independent*.  Layers, circuits, MVC, FuseQ, FEX, PHP, ColdFusion, ASP, HTML - all of these things are *completely* irrelevant to a wireframe.   If you want to take a wireframe (aka "the requirements") and proceed to architect a "solution", then the wireframetool (any wireframe tool) is not appropriate to that architecting task, any more than MSWord's Outline View is appropriate for typesetting your doctoral thesis.   From my experience, the biggest benefits I have ever found in my application development, for whatever platform, whatever language, whatever design pattern comes from three ideas: 1) Basic Fusebox (ie FB1/2) concepts 2) Wireframing the application's "shape" 3) Static prototyping the application's form.   I have found that these three things are now, and will continue to be, an enormous benefit no matter what the eventual solution for a particular application may entail.  Wireframing is really a process that imposes discipline upon the client and the developer, that focuses the mind, that *deliberately* omits all talk about these architectural concerns that you are worrying about.  Furthermore, it's a process that will impress the b'Jesus out of your clients and your bosses.   Put aside the architecture, and let wireframing do its stuff.  To paraphrase the oft-paraphrased - If you can't even wireframe it, how the hell are you going to MVC it? ;-)   See ya, LeeBB (obviously I have some personal stake in wireframing, so feel free to disregard everything I say)     -----Original Message----- From: Lee Foster [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]   Yeah.  But no one including myself has sat down and wrote a different version that uses circuits or layers.  As it is now it is 2 dimensional (single layer) and it was a great ideal at the time.  No kidding it was perfect.  Now we have circuits and starting to layer the application and to me it has passed it time.  Now we have FuseQ and MVC and who knows what is next on the horizon.   I'm not knocking anyone on this.  I think we should start looking at going 3 dimensional and with this application giving the ability to creating circuits and fuseactions under that.  The only one I thought that came close was called Virtual Fusebox but I guess it died.  But like most of you I don't have the money and time to invest into it.  I even have this great application that would be great for web houses and companies that deal with freelancers but I just don't have the money to pay for the development of it either.  In truth I have the time but I don't have the money; trying not to head into bankruptcy.   And this is just the way it is.  I've watch Fusebox change from the start and it is moving so fast the open source applications can't keep up.  Now I think there are some commercial packages that may do what I'm thinking.  At this second I can't remember their names.    This is just my two cents for whatever it is worth.     Lee Foster -----Original Message----- From: Tom Schreck [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Where can I download the latest wireframe tool?   ==^================================================================ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?bUrFMa.bV0Kx9 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^================================================================ IMPORTANT NOTICE: This e-mail and any attachment to it is intended only to be read or used by the named addressee. It is confidential and may contain legally privileged information. No confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost by any mistaken transmission to you. If you receive this e-mail in error, please immediately delete it from your system and notify the sender. You must not disclose, copy or use any part of this e-mail if you are not the intended recipient. The RTA is not responsible for any unauthorised alterations to this e-mail or attachment to it.