Dear Mark:
Often there are posting I would like to reply to so I don't put them in a
file folder and forget them. This one of yours was one of them and it has
stood the test of time.
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From: Mark Measday <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
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Date: August 31, 1998 11:59 AM
Subject: Re: The X Files ("deus ex machina" excuses) Off topic....
>Er, chief, this is beyond me, are you the zen master? Who is the zen
>master? I'm not a zen master, just a bad case of sinusitis and
>consequently not expressing myself well. Whose arms are you going to cut
>off and why do you want to do it?
Thomas:
I thought Brad's answer was pretty concise, the person asking a stupid
question should have a real life experience. You want to know what the
sound of "one hand clapping is" simple, whack off the arm, and you'll have
the answer you stupid jerk.
Alternatively, and more practically,
>organize a real conference or debate simulating the futurework list
>where the evas', jays', rays' etc can be made material. If people pay to
>come, all the better.
Thomas:
One of the joys of electronic debating is the ability to reflect before you
answer. I'm not sure how we would come out in speech. The idea that we
should make some money off the things we do for fun strikes me as a great
example of turning your hobby into a business and then your business ruins
your hobby, I think I'll stay with my hobby.
Or set up a revolutionary cell teaching
>non-exploitative transactional conversational exchange values, so people
>can talk again without fear of having their pockets picked. Don't really
>see the advantages of amputation or learning to say no in Russian
>though. Please explain the depth and complexity of your thought.
It's called having a viewpoint or perhaps a personal philosophy - one we
have actually arrived by ourselves, then being vulnurable enough to expose
that viewpoint to the critiques - or rarely praises of others. What gets
you in crap on this list is playing the conventional party record. We can't
and won't ( I have no right to speak for others here) force anyone to have a
personal viewpoint, however we will gleefully challenge anothers viewpoint,
call it philosophical ping pong, no one gets hurt, everyone gets a little
exercise and we leave the game at the table.
>
>Kind regards,
>
>
>Mark Measday
>
>Brad McCormick, Ed.D. wrote:
>
>> Mark Measday wrote:
>> >
>> > Yep, if that makes any sense, though I don't know about the zen bit.
>> So
>> > can we expect a golden socialist future of mutual understanding
>> based on
>> > some scientific knowledge tempered with wisdom? Or the same old
>> > dialectic between opposite understandings?
>> >
>> > MM
>> >
>> > Thomas Lunde wrote:
>> >
>> > > >In a world of pure self-interest, can there be any paradigms of
>> > > >communication?
>> > >
>> > > Thomas: This question sounds like one of those zen koans where
>> you
>> > > feel
>> > > there should be an obvious answer and every time you put one
>> forth,
>> > > the
>> > > master answers "nyet".
>> [snip]
>>
>> I've been thinking about these Zen masters lately, in
>> part based on thinking about how they exploit their students
>> as cheap labor. And I had an idea for an answer to
>> that famous Koan:
>>
>> What is the sound of one hand clapping?
>>
>> The student should simply amputate one of the master's
>> hands, so that the master could learn.
>>
>> \brad mccormick
>>
>> --
>> Mankind is not the master of all the stuff that exists, but
>> Everyman (woman, child) is a judge of the world.
>>
>> Brad McCormick, Ed.D. / [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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