----- Original Message ----- From: Eva Durant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >People were not consciously structuring slavery, >feudalism or capitalism. It happened to them >as a consequence of the physical environment including >technological/economical development and in turn, social >relations. I am beginning to understand your thesis Eva. It seems to be one of two possibilities: Hypothesis #1. "People" are defined by their actions. "People" can only do good things. If that is so, then the "people" can rule because they, by definition, can only do good. Moreover, anyone who does bad is, by definition, not a person. But wait a minute! Wasn't that Hitler's thesis too? Hypothesis #2: "People" can do no wrong. Only the "system" can be wrong. Hasn't this hypothesis been falsified by Joseph Stalin? Question: Over a hundred million people were killed during the last century. Isn't it possible that some of those who were doing the burning, raping, shooting, clubbing, knifing, and bombing were doing it because they LIKED it? Even among primitive people, the murder rates are high. System problems again Eva? Where on Earth, has the "system" EVER allowed the "people" to become the angels you claim them to be? "The new human freedom made striving for expansion and power possible. Such freedom, when multiplied, creates anarchy. The anarchy among civilized societies meant that the play of power in the system was uncontrollable. In an anarchic situation like that, no one can choose that the struggle for power shall cease. But there is one more element in the picture: no one is free to choose peace, but anyone can impose upon all the necessity for power. This is the lesson of the parable of the tribes." [ p. 21, Andrew Bard Schmookler, THE PARABLE OF THE TRIBES; SUNY, 1995. ISBN 0-7914-2420-0 ] Communism is just another stupid idea whose time has past. Jay