Victor wrote:

>I am by no means a communist or socialist, but this looks like
>propaganda-sriven tunnel vision to me. Comments follow.

I rarely find a genuine communist or socialist. Lots of waffling liberals, 
but hardly any genuinely philosophic communists, or socialists. It's a shame.

Meantime, you did not answer a single point in my post.

You said:

VICTOR: "There were most certainly inequities with high party officials 
living in
luxury and ordinary people living very humbly in crowded apartments. (By the
way what's the difference in life-style between a US senator and your
average Washington, DC resident?)"

HARRY: The Ukraine after the separation was landed with a dacha of a high 
party official. The story appeared in the newspapers because they were 
trying to get rid of it. They couldn't afford the $300,000 a year it cost 
to maintain it.

Yep! There certainly were inequities.

But the USSR was a classless society - remember? The "to each" and "from 
each" nonsense - remember? Meantime, Senators like other politicians all 
over the world lead the good life as they "serve us".

VICTOR: "However, medical care was universally available and pensioners 
could live without financial anxiety. This is not the case after a decade 
of US-driven free enterprise in Russia. For another communist country, 
Cuba, I read recently that the infant mortality rates are less than in the 
USA."

HARRY: Every year a bunch of US cardiac specialists went to the Soviet 
Union and for two weeks, they would work solidly in a Moscow hospital 
doing, I suppose, triage as they took patients from the multitude to 
operate and save lives. I remember one comment from a US doctor. He 
couldn't believe that the Head of Cardiology at the Moscow hospital got a 
salary of $7 a week - about the same as a bus driver. A sure way to attract 
the best people into medicine.

I also wonder whether the millions of "officials" in the communist 
hierarchy used that hospital - or perhaps they had an inequity somewhere, 
fully over-staffed and without the problems the common folk suffered.

Vivid in my mind is a Ted Koppel television program in which a place 
looking like an abattoir had a line of people awaiting abortions - there 
was no anesthetic. One woman was having her 35th abortion. A high school 
kid was having her fifth. Ugh!

Yes, medical care was universally available, all right.

And of course "pensioners could live without financial anxiety". I fear you 
have "propaganda-driven tunnel vision" when you look a a country where 
practically anyone not official was not long way from the edge of 
starvation. Thank God for the free market, beg pardon - black market. That 
kept the people fed - at a cost.

Our child mortality is certainly not the best in the world, though I expect 
that if we measured only those outside the inner cities, it would be best. 
The inner cities is where the greatest concentration of welfare state 
services are. Yet, all we need to do to improve things is to decriminalized 
drugs. That would remove half the inmates of our prisons, too.

However, in dictatorial countries such as Cuba, statistics such as child 
mortality are more likely to come out of their public relations office than 
the medical department.

You said:

VICTOR: "Good God! I'd far rather have a doctor who discussed football 
results than
investments. I'd fear the latter's main preoccupation would be operating on
my wallet rather than healing me. In fact the US health care system is a mess.

HARRY: In a market system, if a doctor doesn't do something properly, his 
wallet empties. We probably have the best doctors in the world. We should - 
because they come here from all over the globe to enjoy our higher standard 
of living. And they are not hired, or they are fired if they don't measure 
up. (The AMA, which is not a market organization, may try to sweep things 
under the rug, but that's another discussion.)

VICTOR: "Nine years ago in a study in the New England Journal of Medicine it
was pointed out that one private insurer (Massachusetts Blue Cross/Blue
Shield) with subscribers equal to about 10% of the population of Canada (2.6
million) needed more employees than all ten provincial health plans
combined! Presumably this army of free enterprise gnomes is needed to prove
that subscribers are not entitled to the treatments they thought they were."

HARRY: Perhaps, the Canadian system doesn't have the money to hire adequate 
staff. However, not to worry. Canadians can purchase insurance policies to 
let them hop across the border to get the care the Canadian system fails to 
give. And they do just that.

But, apparently, you are critical of Massachusetts. Their patients need 
more service than Canadian patients. Well, guess you'll just have to live 
with it. These pampered Americans. You know how it is. Last two times I 
went in for day surgery, as I left I was presented with a rose wrapped in 
plastic. Such fol-de-rolls!

Studies of the satisfaction of US patients indicates that something like 
90% of them are satisfied with what they get. Patients of doctors are more 
satisfied than those of Health Maintenance Organizations - though the 
difference is not significant.

I've been with my present HMO for about 36 years. It's a big one with some 
5 million members. It's family cost has never been excessive, and now under 
medicare it costs about $90 a month for the two of us.

Service? One Wednesday afternoon, I phoned my doctor there and got his 
nurse. Told her I had a mysterious lump. She told me to come in tomorrow 
morning. Thursday, my doctor looked at it, called Urology and was told 
everyone was doing surgery. He got the department head to see me. When I 
walked across there, he was waiting along with a surgeon just out the 
operating room. They checked it out, then sent me to pre-op. This is where 
you do tests, get X-Rays and other things, chat with the anesthesiologist 
about what will happen, view  films about my kind of operation. Finished 
pre-op Friday morning.

Monday morning they were working on me so that afterwards I could get my 
presentation rose.

I thought it was pretty competent - even if you think its a mess.

One of the best medical plans we've used was PSI (Physicians, Surgeons, Inc.).

This was a privately run group actually set up by the doctors. We actually 
got house calls! That along with Blue Cross handled our medical needs well.

I was a member of it for 7 years in the Province of Ontario.

Harry


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