Or you can see it as competition and war? Just another version of keeping the economy going. Hate is a great motivator and anger is the energy that causes change in that model In that system the only "true motivator for human endeavor is abject economic need" otherwise people would just "free ride." In that system the "Prince of Peace" is just another propaganda device, Conservatives are good and Liberals are sloppy. Why were the contrarians?
Looking beneath the skirts worn by both women and warriors can give you the underlying causes for most of the stories of the world. The theater had it right. Sex and violence. In that world there is little else and the excellence of atheletes surpasses the value of thinkers. But then the thinkers are the ones who came up with this system in the first place. What goes round comes round. There is another way and in spite of what Keith believes I mean, England and Europe hasn't tried it yet and neither has America or the Middle East. It has to come from an inner knowledge and a logical exploration of experience. How long will we swear allegiance to these "killer assumptions" and misundertand the relationship of things? REH ----- Original Message ----- From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 8:45 AM Subject: [Futurework] RE: [Futurework]network war was Will Bush become a Shia Moslem?B ut why take responsibility for what you do naturally.... > Yup. Walking down the street. Mugged, robbed and raped. Well didn't you > know that was a dangerous street? Blaming the victim is easy but doesn't > get you very far and sure doesn't solve the problem. > > 1993 World Trade Center bombing. Ahhh, its just a bunch of blind raghead > clerics. 2001, ahh we should have been more open, more loving, more > forgiving. We are too rich. They are too poor. We consume too much. Take > your choice. > > Brad, sometimes others see you as the enemy and for reasons of their own set > out to do harm. We can either analyze or psychoanlyze them or we can flee > or we can defend ourselves. > > I think we are at war with a network. > > arthur > > -----Original Message----- > From: Brad McCormick, Ed.D. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, September 3, 2003 9:08 PM > To: Cordell, Arthur: ECOM > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [Futurework] Will Bush become a Shia Moslem?But why take > responsibility for what you do naturally.... > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > I agree with your posting. > > > > Until > > > > "But the good things that the US can do seem to me to hold out much > promise > > for being able to do good things in the future, in spite of the > > Bush/Crusade/Empire nonsense, and I would like to point us toward trying > to > > make it so. The US is enormously wealthy, enormously talented, and > immensely > > ignorant. A virulent intolerance is sweeping our country right now." > > > > I think we have to keep in mind that there was an attack on mainland US. > As > > though Pearl Harbor happened in downtown NYC. > > Pearl Harbor may have been necessary, but I think it helps > to appreciate that it was the Japanese response to the U.S. > attempt to strangle their economy by cutting off their > oil supplies. > > Perhaps there never would have been a Pearl Harbor had not Admiral > Dewey shown the Japanese the writing on the wall. Unlike just > about every other backward society, the Japanese were able to > get their act together to stand up to the Imperialist aggressors. > > And, anyway, who is to blame for Pearl Harbor? The Japanese who > tried it, or the Americans who were asleep at the wheel? > Or, on a somewwhat less flattering view, the Americans who had > been given a soporific by FDR so they would not see? The > real infamy was not from Tokyo but from Washington D.C. > For we should expect our enemies to try to do us harm.... > > I repeat my contention that, while there is so far no > evidence George W Bush is > an alQaeda operative, Osama bin Laden could not > have hand-picked a "better" U.S. president, since anybody > more useful to his cause would have been arrested and > removed from the White House and thereby cease to be > of any "help". Fortune favors those who prepare themselves > for it (or however the chiche goes. > > "911" might never have hapened had American workers > not been so well conditioned to please their bosses and, > pursuant to that exigency, to ignore the obvious > > Remember Johnell Bryant! (the U.S. Dept of > Agriculture official who had a long interview > with Mohammad Atta several months before 911, > and who, even after the fact, could not imagine > anyone could have suspected this person > who, in the interview, threatened to kill her, > might do something like fly a plane into > an American office building). Bush should > appoint this lady to replace Colin Powell! > > \brad mccormick > > Not a conventional attack but > > a terrorist attack by unknown shadowy figures. > > > > A wounded giant tries to strike back in all directions. Geared up > > conventional war the US doesn't quite know what to do. > > > > But there is a war going on. Not with a nation state but with a network. > A > > network of terrorists. > > > > Let's see how things play out. > > > > The US couldn't walk away after Pearl Harbor and it can't walk away after > > NYC. > > > > arthur > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Lawrence DeBivort [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2003 2:54 PM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: RE: [Futurework] Will Bush become a Shia Moslem? Glass > > half-full or glass half empty? > > > > > > Hi, Brad, > > > > I agree than the US role in the world since WWI has been a mixed bag; my > > only point is that the US has done well in several important situations, > and > > could do even better if it put its mind to it. Examples: > > > > The Marshall Plan. Behind the scenes diplomacy between Greece and Turkey. > > reconstruction of Japan. Effective countering the UK/French/Israeli > invasion > > of Egypt in 1956, and support for the nationalization of the Suez Canal. > > termination of the Panama Canal Lease. Significant aid for approximately. > > 80-110 countries for humanitarian, social and economic purposes. > > International fountain of technology and science. Host to hundreds of > > thousands of foreign students. Major supporter of the ILO's efforts to > bring > > industrial and maritime safety to all countries. Etc. > > > > Yes, you will probably assert that we could have done better in many of > > these areas than we did do -- no argument. But let us recognize what the > US > > HAS done well, and give it credit for doing so. > > > > And yes, we have our embarrassments big and small -- Arbenz and Mossadegh > > being but examples -- and have done much harm, sometimes deliberately, > > sometimes out of ignorance or naivete. > > > > But the good things that the US can do seem to me to hold out much promise > > for being able to do good things in the future, in spite of the > > Bush/Crusade/Empire nonsense, and I would like to point us toward trying > to > > make it so. The US is enormously wealthy, enormously talented, and > immensely > > ignorant. A virulent intolerance is sweeping our country right now. > > > > We have much to do. > > > > Cheers, > > Lawry > > > > > >>-----Original Message----- > >>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Brad > >>McCormick, Ed.D. > >>Sent: Sat, August 30, 2003 12:52 PM > >>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>Subject: Re: [Futurework] Will Bush become a Shia Moslem? Glass > >>half-full or glass half empty? > >> > >> > >>Lawrence DeBivort wrote: > >> > >> > >>>The US (or some its policy leaders) may have taken on the role > >> > >>of Empire, > >> > >>>but it is not a role that the world wants us to take on, nor, > >> > >>do I and a lot > >> > >>>of other Americans want to take it on. So we made a (big) > >> > >>mistake. OK, let's > >> > >>>admit it and get back on the right path. It is utterly stupid > >> > >>to compound a > >> > >>>mistake by 'doing it harder.' > >>> > >>>Yes, the Bushies are spin-masters -- so let the spin masters apply their > >>>talents to putting the best face on it. I can, by the way, > >> > >>think of several > >> > >>>easy AND legitimate ways of explaining to the world the many > >> > >>and very good > >> > >>>reasons for the shift in direction. I think the result is that the world > >>>would feel a whole better about the US and its future impact in > >> > >>the world, > >> > >>>and that the world would be a far better place for having an > >> > >>America that > >> > >>>eschews Empire and embraces tolerance and respectful living. > >> > >>The extremists > >> > >>>out there would be left without much of a cause against the US, > >> > >>and the US, > >> > >>>after some specific further fence-mending, could resume to generally > >>>positive role it has sought to play since WWII. > >> > >>What "generally postiive role" -- unless one means taking positive > >>action to help reactionary regimes all over the planet. > >> > >>Sure the U.S. has done a lot good after WWII. But haven't we done > >>a lot of harm, too? A couple names that I seem to remember > >>from D.F. Fleming's _The Cold War and its Origins_ are Arbenz and > >>Mossadegh (sp?). Do I misremember? > >> > >>But I do not believe moral judgment is necessary before the > >>punishment is meted out. I do not > >>want to catch the drug-resistent tuberculosis the U.S. has > >>helped to flourish in the breakdown products of the former Soviet Union. > >> > >> Tear down that wall! > >> > >> That man once tried to kill my dad. > >> > >>In the long run, Bush2 may prove to have been the > >>lesser disaster because he focused on a pettier objective. > >> > >>\brad mccormick > >> > >>-- > >> Let your light so shine before men, > >> that they may see your good works.... (Matt 5:16) > >> > >> Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. (1 Thes 5:21) > >> > >><![%THINK;[SGML+APL]]> Brad McCormick, Ed.D. / [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>----------------------------------------------------------------- > >> Visit my website ==> http://www.users.cloud9.net/~bradmcc/ > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>Futurework mailing list > >>[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>http://scribe.uwaterloo.ca/mailman/listinfo/futurework > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Futurework mailing list > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > http://scribe.uwaterloo.ca/mailman/listinfo/futurework > > _______________________________________________ > > Futurework mailing list > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > http://scribe.uwaterloo.ca/mailman/listinfo/futurework > > > > > -- > Let your light so shine before men, > that they may see your good works.... (Matt 5:16) > > Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. 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