Arthur is at 'war with a network.' I am not.
If ever I go to war, I'll let you know. Arthur, I hope you will pay your share of your war. At this point a most conservative estimate for Iraq alone comes to $200 billion and counting. How much do you think your share comes to? If you don't wish to pay it to the US government, I can suggest many worthy needs that have been created by the 'war on terror' budget skewing. Cheers, Lawry > -----Original Message----- > From: Ray Evans Harrell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thu, September 04, 2003 10:51 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [Futurework] RE: [Futurework]network war was Will Bush > become a Shia Moslem?B ut why take responsibility for what you do > naturally.... > > > Or you can see it as competition and war? Just another version of > keeping the economy going. Hate is a great motivator and anger is the > energy that causes change in that model In that system the only "true > motivator for human endeavor is abject economic need" otherwise > people would > just "free ride." In that system the "Prince of Peace" is just another > propaganda device, Conservatives are good and Liberals are sloppy. Why > were the contrarians? > > Looking beneath the skirts worn by both women and warriors can > give you the > underlying causes for most of the stories of the world. The > theater had it > right. Sex and violence. In that world there is little else and the > excellence of atheletes surpasses the value of thinkers. But then the > thinkers are the ones who came up with this system in the first place. > What goes round comes round. There is another way and in spite of what > Keith believes I mean, England and Europe hasn't tried it yet and neither > has America or the Middle East. It has to come from an inner knowledge > and a logical exploration of experience. How long will we swear > allegiance > to these "killer assumptions" and misundertand the relationship of things? > > REH > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 8:45 AM > Subject: [Futurework] RE: [Futurework]network war was Will Bush become a > Shia Moslem?B ut why take responsibility for what you do naturally.... > > > > Yup. Walking down the street. Mugged, robbed and raped. Well > didn't you > > know that was a dangerous street? Blaming the victim is easy > but doesn't > > get you very far and sure doesn't solve the problem. > > > > 1993 World Trade Center bombing. Ahhh, its just a bunch of > blind raghead > > clerics. 2001, ahh we should have been more open, more loving, more > > forgiving. We are too rich. They are too poor. We consume too much. > Take > > your choice. > > > > Brad, sometimes others see you as the enemy and for reasons of their own > set > > out to do harm. We can either analyze or psychoanlyze them or > we can flee > > or we can defend ourselves. > > > > I think we are at war with a network. > > > > arthur > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Brad McCormick, Ed.D. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Wednesday, September 3, 2003 9:08 PM > > To: Cordell, Arthur: ECOM > > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: [Futurework] Will Bush become a Shia Moslem?But why take > > responsibility for what you do naturally.... > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > I agree with your posting. > > > > > > Until > > > > > > "But the good things that the US can do seem to me to hold out much > > promise > > > for being able to do good things in the future, in spite of the > > > Bush/Crusade/Empire nonsense, and I would like to point us > toward trying > > to > > > make it so. The US is enormously wealthy, enormously talented, and > > immensely > > > ignorant. A virulent intolerance is sweeping our country right now." > > > > > > I think we have to keep in mind that there was an attack on > mainland US. > > As > > > though Pearl Harbor happened in downtown NYC. > > > > Pearl Harbor may have been necessary, but I think it helps > > to appreciate that it was the Japanese response to the U.S. > > attempt to strangle their economy by cutting off their > > oil supplies. > > > > Perhaps there never would have been a Pearl Harbor had not Admiral > > Dewey shown the Japanese the writing on the wall. Unlike just > > about every other backward society, the Japanese were able to > > get their act together to stand up to the Imperialist aggressors. > > > > And, anyway, who is to blame for Pearl Harbor? The Japanese who > > tried it, or the Americans who were asleep at the wheel? > > Or, on a somewwhat less flattering view, the Americans who had > > been given a soporific by FDR so they would not see? The > > real infamy was not from Tokyo but from Washington D.C. > > For we should expect our enemies to try to do us harm.... > > > > I repeat my contention that, while there is so far no > > evidence George W Bush is > > an alQaeda operative, Osama bin Laden could not > > have hand-picked a "better" U.S. president, since anybody > > more useful to his cause would have been arrested and > > removed from the White House and thereby cease to be > > of any "help". Fortune favors those who prepare themselves > > for it (or however the chiche goes. > > > > "911" might never have hapened had American workers > > not been so well conditioned to please their bosses and, > > pursuant to that exigency, to ignore the obvious > > > > Remember Johnell Bryant! (the U.S. Dept of > > Agriculture official who had a long interview > > with Mohammad Atta several months before 911, > > and who, even after the fact, could not imagine > > anyone could have suspected this person > > who, in the interview, threatened to kill her, > > might do something like fly a plane into > > an American office building). Bush should > > appoint this lady to replace Colin Powell! > > > > \brad mccormick > > > > Not a conventional attack but > > > a terrorist attack by unknown shadowy figures. > > > > > > A wounded giant tries to strike back in all directions. Geared up > > > conventional war the US doesn't quite know what to do. > > > > > > But there is a war going on. Not with a nation state but with a > network. > > A > > > network of terrorists. > > > > > > Let's see how things play out. > > > > > > The US couldn't walk away after Pearl Harbor and it can't walk away > after > > > NYC. > > > > > > arthur > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Lawrence DeBivort [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2003 2:54 PM > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Subject: RE: [Futurework] Will Bush become a Shia Moslem? Glass > > > half-full or glass half empty? > > > > > > > > > Hi, Brad, > > > > > > I agree than the US role in the world since WWI has been a > mixed bag; my > > > only point is that the US has done well in several important > situations, > > and > > > could do even better if it put its mind to it. Examples: > > > > > > The Marshall Plan. Behind the scenes diplomacy between Greece and > Turkey. > > > reconstruction of Japan. Effective countering the UK/French/Israeli > > invasion > > > of Egypt in 1956, and support for the nationalization of the > Suez Canal. > > > termination of the Panama Canal Lease. Significant aid for > approximately. > > > 80-110 countries for humanitarian, social and economic purposes. > > > International fountain of technology and science. Host to hundreds of > > > thousands of foreign students. Major supporter of the ILO's efforts to > > bring > > > industrial and maritime safety to all countries. Etc. > > > > > > Yes, you will probably assert that we could have done better > in many of > > > these areas than we did do -- no argument. But let us > recognize what the > > US > > > HAS done well, and give it credit for doing so. > > > > > > And yes, we have our embarrassments big and small -- Arbenz and > Mossadegh > > > being but examples -- and have done much harm, sometimes deliberately, > > > sometimes out of ignorance or naivete. > > > > > > But the good things that the US can do seem to me to hold out much > promise > > > for being able to do good things in the future, in spite of the > > > Bush/Crusade/Empire nonsense, and I would like to point us > toward trying > > to > > > make it so. The US is enormously wealthy, enormously talented, and > > immensely > > > ignorant. A virulent intolerance is sweeping our country right now. > > > > > > We have much to do. > > > > > > Cheers, > > > Lawry > > > > > > > > >>-----Original Message----- > > >>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Brad > > >>McCormick, Ed.D. > > >>Sent: Sat, August 30, 2003 12:52 PM > > >>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >>Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >>Subject: Re: [Futurework] Will Bush become a Shia Moslem? Glass > > >>half-full or glass half empty? > > >> > > >> > > >>Lawrence DeBivort wrote: > > >> > > >> > > >>>The US (or some its policy leaders) may have taken on the role > > >> > > >>of Empire, > > >> > > >>>but it is not a role that the world wants us to take on, nor, > > >> > > >>do I and a lot > > >> > > >>>of other Americans want to take it on. So we made a (big) > > >> > > >>mistake. OK, let's > > >> > > >>>admit it and get back on the right path. It is utterly stupid > > >> > > >>to compound a > > >> > > >>>mistake by 'doing it harder.' > > >>> > > >>>Yes, the Bushies are spin-masters -- so let the spin masters apply > their > > >>>talents to putting the best face on it. I can, by the way, > > >> > > >>think of several > > >> > > >>>easy AND legitimate ways of explaining to the world the many > > >> > > >>and very good > > >> > > >>>reasons for the shift in direction. I think the result is that the > world > > >>>would feel a whole better about the US and its future impact in > > >> > > >>the world, > > >> > > >>>and that the world would be a far better place for having an > > >> > > >>America that > > >> > > >>>eschews Empire and embraces tolerance and respectful living. > > >> > > >>The extremists > > >> > > >>>out there would be left without much of a cause against the US, > > >> > > >>and the US, > > >> > > >>>after some specific further fence-mending, could resume to generally > > >>>positive role it has sought to play since WWII. > > >> > > >>What "generally postiive role" -- unless one means taking positive > > >>action to help reactionary regimes all over the planet. > > >> > > >>Sure the U.S. has done a lot good after WWII. But haven't we done > > >>a lot of harm, too? A couple names that I seem to remember > > >>from D.F. Fleming's _The Cold War and its Origins_ are Arbenz and > > >>Mossadegh (sp?). Do I misremember? > > >> > > >>But I do not believe moral judgment is necessary before the > > >>punishment is meted out. I do not > > >>want to catch the drug-resistent tuberculosis the U.S. has > > >>helped to flourish in the breakdown products of the former > Soviet Union. > > >> > > >> Tear down that wall! > > >> > > >> That man once tried to kill my dad. > > >> > > >>In the long run, Bush2 may prove to have been the > > >>lesser disaster because he focused on a pettier objective. > > >> > > >>\brad mccormick > > >> > > >>-- > > >> Let your light so shine before men, > > >> that they may see your good works.... (Matt 5:16) > > >> > > >> Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. (1 Thes 5:21) > > >> > > >><![%THINK;[SGML+APL]]> Brad McCormick, Ed.D. / [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >>----------------------------------------------------------------- > > >> Visit my website ==> http://www.users.cloud9.net/~bradmcc/ > > >> > > >>_______________________________________________ > > >>Futurework mailing list > > >>[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >>http://scribe.uwaterloo.ca/mailman/listinfo/futurework > > >> > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Futurework mailing list > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > http://scribe.uwaterloo.ca/mailman/listinfo/futurework > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Futurework mailing list > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > http://scribe.uwaterloo.ca/mailman/listinfo/futurework > > > > > > > > > -- > > Let your light so shine before men, > > that they may see your good works.... (Matt 5:16) > > > > Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. 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