Ray,
 
Don't understand the allusion.
 
Educate me.
 
Harry


From: Ray Evans Harrell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2003 8:29 PM
To: Harry Pollard; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Futurework] Iraq Realities (was Ramadan....)

Sorry Harry,
 
But it all sounds like the buzz from 1968.
 
REH
 
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Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2003 10:48 PM
Subject: RE: [Futurework] Iraq Realities (was Ramadan....)

Ray,

Pete surely is good and is delightful to read. I don't think he adds much to the discussion however in this case. I would say the overwhelming majority of Iraqi were glad to see the overthrow of Saddam. I don't think they want the Americans to leave while Saddam supporters (or Saddam himself) are making trouble. Once things are running well, they'll want us to go and we will.

Without doubt the Iraqi politicians want the Americans to leave so they can become politicians again. But, the man in the street is certainly glad that they are around.

Most of Iraq is peaceful. The triangle isn't, and has become a magnet for dissidents and, apparently, not so few people from outside the country.

If we (and it is we) can establish Iraqi hierarchies -- in politics, in policing, in the military, and such like -- we will have won. That's why there are attacks on police stations and local politicians are shot. I already mentioned the two people with guns who put the DC area into a state of shock. I would liken the activities of the guerrillas In Iraq to those two people with guns.

They can kill people and cause damage, they can disrupt normal activities, they may take a lot of hunting down -- but stopping them is as important as stopping gang activities in a central cities.

Of course, we haven't done too well in the central cities.

Harry



From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ray Evans Harrell
Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 2:37 PM
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Subject: Re: [Futurework] Iraq Realities (was Ramadan....)

Geez you're good at this stuff.   Thanks!
 
REH
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Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 3:04 PM
Subject: [Futurework] Iraq Realities (was Ramadan....)

Greetings, Harry,
 
There are several truths about Iraq, and they are only superficially incongruent. In fact, they are all aspects of the same situation.
 
1. Yes, it is quite possible for Westerners and even Americans to travel about Iraq safely. The prerequisites are that the visitor not be associated with the US/UK invasion, that he be in sync logistically with what daily life has devolved to, and that he fit within the patterns of traditional Iraqi welcome and hospitality.  None of these prerequisites are hard to meet.
 
2. For those who are there with the invasion, they are, to put it simply, targets. This will get worse and worse, to the point the US seeks a way out. It may be like the infamous retreat from Viet Nam -- the fatal and egotistic "peace with Honor" demanded by Nixon and Kissinger. May they answer for the tens of thousands of lives that were lost as a result. Or it may be like the retreat from Mogadishu, clean and politically courageous though embarrassing.  With Bush and advisors, it is most likely to be the former, if Bush is still around to preside over the defeat.
 
3. Iraqis who collaborate with the US are in jeopardy, and there will be some Iraqis who make a point of harassing and from time to time killing them. These people are viewed as traitors, though some believe that they are helping create conditions in which the US will leave.
 
4. Iraq and the US invasion will increasingly serve as a magnet to people who are willing to use force against the American presence in the Middle East and the Muslim world generally.  In the same way that Muslims from all over the world went to fight the Soviets in Afghanistan, so will they go to fight the US in Iraq. No one should be surprised by this, nor view it as a 'new' reality.  But it is important to realize that the glamour of 'foreign fighters' not withstanding, as in Afghanistan, the strength and bulk of resistance to the US occupation of Iraq comes from the Iraqis themselves. They have plenty of technical military skill, weapons, war materials, training, communication networks and motivation to do it all themselves. Foreign assistance will be welcomed and much public relations advantage gained for them -- solidarity, etc. --
 
5. Generally,  Iraqis do not want the US to remain in Iraq. No one there is impressed with the 'we are here to help', 'we are bringing democracy' nonsense.  Of course, many Iraqis are delighted with the US' willingness to pour billions into Iraq and will be happy to receive portions of that. But this does not translate into approval of the US invasion or presence. This is a fundamental reality that US policy-makers seem blissfully unaware of, and part of the overwhelming ignorance that pervades US knowledge of Iraq and the Middle East, generally.
 
6. To the extent that Westerners start to understand Iraq and the Middle East, they light of some exotic-sounding factoid, and then see everything that happens through that perspective. Nowhere is this more evident in the discovery of shi'is, sunnis, Ba'athists, the 'Sunni Triangle', Marsh Arabs, etc. The reality is that none of these support the US/UK invasion of presence. Left alone, I think the chances of a civil war are extremely low, though I would guess that we would see quite a bit of old scores being evened.  The US presence skews and undermines the process of Iraq rebuilding itself, as we are 'playing favorites', forcing many Iraqis into collaborating (if only by dangling money in front of them), and pushing some into guerilla actions against the occupying forces, and all the social dynamics that go along with that.
 
7. We can foresee Arab-Kurdish fighting, I think. And I don't think that -- stay or leave -- the US will be able to prevent that. For many decades, Western powers have tried to favor one ethnic group in the Middle East over another, and it has never succeeded.  Past examples of such efforts include: Armenia, Kurds, Greeks (in Anatolia), Hashemites, Maronites, Copts, French pieds-noirs in Algeria, Berbers in Morocco, and Turkish Cypriots. We have a current example in Palestine, where the West supported Jewish-Zionist migration and where, it is becoming increasingly clear, only disaster awaits.
 
8. All but the hard-core Ba'athists were delighted to get rid of Saddam Hussein -- no doubt about that!  But that does not mean that the US is welcome to stay.  The Iraqis are a pretty sophisticated people, compared to Americans, and are far more able to rebuild their country than anyone else.  The notion that they need outside help is, to put it simply, laughable, though it would be nice if the US and others compensated Iraq for the economic suffering and destruction caused by the sanctions and invasion.
 
Best regards,
Lawry
-----Original Message-----
From: Harry Pollard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Fri, October 31, 2003 9:51 PM
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Lawry,
 
Keith, in particular, was not very happy about my posting Stein's article, in which he wandered around the hinterland of Iraq, including Saddam land and the northern oilfield, apparently without being harmed or even fearing harm.
 
This, because Stein's truth was not the revealed truth of most of the journalists who report on Iraq. Then I posted, Jon North of England's Channel four who visited Baghdad, expecting the worst (like many UK news outlets, bad news is good news). He spent the day at the races along with thousands of other Iraqis. The biggest danger seemed to be emptying your wallet. Maybe things are not so bad as some people hope that are.
 
This anti-Bush fervore really prevents people from thinking and observing.
 
One notes that a couple of people with rifles practically brought DC to its knees. I would place the happenings in Iraqi in the same category.
 
Relatively few people -- with some certainly from across the borders -- causing lots of trouble.
 
Serious? Certainly, because they kill people and cause heavy damage.
 
Absolute disaster? No, it's just something to be dealt with.
 
Harry  
 
 

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