Once you get rid of the patent system which includes copyrights how would
you pay people for their creativity?

REH


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> Arthur,
>
> We could start by getting rid of the patent system that
> articially raises drug prices along with the bottom lines of the
> huge drug companies. This money helps them pay off Congress.
>
> If you saw the Bill Moyer show on Friday you would appreciate why
> Eisenhower originally intended to call it the
> military-industrial-congressional complex.
>
> Of course the other privileges should also go - primarily the one
> that gives some people the ability to collect Economic Rent - or
> rather an amount much higher than economic Rent, because the
> price mechanism doesn't control Rent. Thus it becomes something
> known throughout history - rack-rent - the path to poverty for
> generations of peasants.
>
> So, we are back to the problems in the article. If the basics are
> not dealt with, such problems will always be with us. But as
> Thoreau said: "There are a thousand hacking at the branches of
> evil to one who is striking at the root . . . . "
>
> So, I'll keep striking, perhaps to little avail, leaving the rest
> of you to get sweaty hacking away at those branches. Of course
> there is great benefit to doing that, That's the psychological
> uplift that reformers get even if nothing of consequence is
> accomplished. I know - I've been one.
>
> So, work on a dozen or a hundred programs designed to ameliorate
> rather than end misery. It passes the time.
>
> Harry
>
> PS It costs $266 a month for a 59 year old to join Kaiser. That
> $275 for Ms Pard's nine year old seem a bit stiff.
>
>
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> So, Harry P., how do you deal with this??
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> For Middle Class, Health Insurance Becomes a Luxury
>
> November 16, 2003
>  By STEPHANIE STROM
>
>
>
>
>
> DALLAS - The last time Kevin Thornton had health insurance
> was three years ago, which was not much of a problem until
> he began having trouble swallowing.
>
> "I broke down earlier this year and went in and talked to a
> doctor about it," said Mr. Thornton, who lives in Sherman,
> about 60 miles north of Dallas.
>
> A barium X-ray cost him $130, and the radiologist another
> $70, expenses he charged to his credit cards. The doctor
> ordered other tests that Mr. Thornton simply could not
> afford.
>
> "I was supposed to go back after the X-ray results came,
> but I decided just to live with it for a while," he said.
> "I may just be a walking time bomb."
>
> Mr. Thornton, 41, left a stable job with good health
> coverage in 1998 for a higher salary at a dot-com company
> that went bust a few months later. Since then, he has
> worked on contract for various companies, including one
> that provided insurance until the project ended in 2000. "I
> failed to keep up the payments that would have been
> required to maintain my coverage," he said. "It was just
> too much money."
>
> Mr. Thornton is one of more than 43 million people in the
> United States who lack health insurance, and their numbers
> are rapidly increasing because of ever soaring cost and job
> losses. Many states, including Texas, are also cutting back
> on subsidies for health care, further increasing the number
> of people with no coverage.
>
> The majority of the uninsured are neither poor by official
> standards nor unemployed. They are accountants like Mr.
> Thornton, employees of small businesses, civil servants,
> single working mothers and those working part time or on
> contract.
>
> "Now it's hitting people who look like you and me, dress
> like you and me, drive nice cars and live in nice houses
> but can't afford $1,000 a month for health insurance for
> their families," said R. King Hillier, director of
> legislative relations for Harris County, which includes
> Houston.
>
> Paying for health insurance is becoming a middle-class
> problem, and not just here. "After paying for health
> insurance, you take home less than minimum wage," says a
> poster in New York City subways sponsored by Working Today,
> a nonprofit agency that offers health insurance to
> independent contractors in New York. "Welcome to
> middle-class poverty." In Southern California, 70,000
> supermarket workers have been on strike for five weeks over
> plans to cut their health benefits.
>
> The insurance crisis is especially visible in Texas, which
> has the highest proportion of uninsured in the country -
> almost one in every four residents. The state has a large
> population of immigrants; its labor market is dominated by
> low-wage service sector jobs, and it has a higher than
> average number of small businesses, which are less likely
> to provide health benefits because they pay higher
> insurance costs than large companies.
>
> State cuts to subsidies for health insurance to help close
> a $10 billion budget gap will cost the state $500 million
> in federal matching money and are expected to further spur
> the rise in uninsured. In September, for example, more than
> half a million children enrolled in a state- and
> federal-subsidized insurance program lost dental, vision
> and most mental care coverage, and some 169,000 children
> will lose all insurance by 2005.
>
> "These were tough economic times that the legislature was
> dealing with, and the governor believed in setting the tone
> for the legislative session that the government must
> operate the way Texas families do and Texas businesses do
> and live within its means," said Kathy Walt, spokeswoman
> for Gov. Rick Perry.
>
> She noted that the legislature raised spending on health
> and human services by $1 billion this year, and that
> lawmakers passed two bills intended to make it easier for
> small businesses to provide health insurance for their
> employees.
>
> Those measures, however, will not help Theresa Pardo or
> other Texas residents like her who have to make tough
> choices about medical care they need but cannot afford.
>
> Ms. Pardo, a 29-year-old from Houston, said that having no
> insurance meant choosing between buying an inhaler for her
> 9-year-old asthmatic daughter or buying her a birthday
> present. The girl, Morgan, lost her state-subsidized
> insurance last month, and now her mother must pay $80
> instead of $5 for the inhaler.
>
> Rent, car payments and insurance, day care and utilities
> cost Ms. Pardo more than $1,200 a month, leaving less than
> $200 for food, gas and other expenses. So even though her
> employer, the Harris County government, provides her with
> low-cost insurance, she cannot afford the $275 a month she
> would have to pay to add her daughter to her plan.
>
> When Morgan's dentist recently wanted to pull a tooth, Ms.
> Pardo hesitated. The tooth extraction proceeded, but: "I
> had to ask him, if you pull this tooth, will it cause other
> problems? Because if it does, I can't afford to deal with
> them."
>
> Lorenda Stevenson said her choice was between buying
> medicine to treat patches of peeling, flaking skin on her
> hands, arms and face and making sure her son could continue
> his after-school tennis program. "There's no way I will cut
> that out unless we don't have money for food," she said.
>
> Mrs. Stevenson's husband, Bill, lost his management job at
> WorldCom two years ago, when an accounting scandal forced
> the company into bankruptcy. They managed to pay $900 a
> month for Cobra, the government policy that allows workers
> to continue their coverage after they lose their jobs, but
> when the cost rose to $1,200, they could no longer afford
> it.
>
> When their son, a ninth grader, needed a physical and shot
> to take tennis, Mrs. Stevenson turned to the Rockwall Area
> Health Clinic, a nonprofit clinic in Rockwall, a city of
> 13,000 northeast of Dallas. The clinic charged her $20
> instead of the $400 she estimated she would have paid at
> the doctor's office.
>
> "I sat filling out the paperwork and crying," she said,
> tears streaming down her face. "I was so embarrassed to
> bring him here."
>
> A salve to treat her skin condition costs $27, and she pays
> roughly $50 a month for medications for high blood pressure
> and hormones. She does without medication she needs for
> acid reflux, treating the conditions sporadically with
> samples from the clinic.
>
> Carol Johnston cannot afford even doctor visits. A single
> mother in Houston, she lost her job in health care
> administration in May and said she was still unemployed
> despite filling out 500 to 600 applications and attending
> countless job fairs.
>
> Cobra would have cost $214 a month, or more than one-fifth
> of the $1,028 in unemployment she gets a month. As it is,
> her monthly bills for rent, car, utilities and phone exceed
> her income.
>
> She got a 12-month deferral on her student loans, and Ford
> pushed her car payments back by two months. The Johnstons
> rely on television for entertainment and almost never use
> air-conditioning, despite Houston's muggy, hot climate.
>
> Now Ms. Johnston's 16-year-old son is losing the portion of
> his insurance that covered treatment for his learning and
> emotional disabilities because of state cutbacks.
>
> Ms. Johnston herself does not qualify for Medicaid, the
> government insurance program for the indigent, because her
> income is too high, the same reason she qualifies for only
> $10 a month in food stamps. "I worry, I worry so much about
> making sure my son is safe," she said.
>
> As for her own health, Ms. Johnston has two cysts in one
> breast and three in another but has had only one aspirated
> because she cannot afford to check on the others. "Do I
> have to move to Iraq to get help?" she asked. "They have
> $87 billion for folks over there," she said, referring to
> money Congress allocated for military operations and
> rebuilding.
>
> Experts warn that allowing health problems to fester is
> only going to increase the costs of health care for the
> uninsured. "As Americans, when are we going to realize it's
> cheaper to save them on the front end than when they get
> cancer and show up in the emergency room?" said Sandra B.
> Thurman, executive director of PediPlace, a nonprofit
> health clinic in Lewisville, Tex.
>
> Many hospitals and neighborhood clinics here say that the
> well-heeled are now joining the poor in seeking their care.
> Emergency rooms are particularly hard hit, since federal
> law requires them to treat anyone who walks through their
> doors for emergency treatment, regardless of whether they
> can pay.
>
> Public hospital emergency rooms are even harder hit, since
> private hospitals will move quickly to shift uninsured
> patients to them. And clinics for the poor are also seeing
> an increase in demand.
>
> A clinic run by Central Dallas Ministries charges patients
> $5 for a doctor visit, $10 for medication and $15 if
> laboratory work is needed, but often settles for no payment
> from many of the 3,500 patients it treats each year.
>
> "I'm not real optimistic it will get a lot better," said
> Larry Morris James, executive director of Central Dallas
> Ministries. "Demographic and economic trends tell you that
> it's probably going to get worse."
>
> For Irma Arellano, the problem has already hit home. Mrs.
> Arellano is a secretary in the Royse school district
> northeast of Dallas, which provides her health insurance
> for $35 a month but offers no discounts for her three
> children or husband.
>
> Two years ago, the Arellanos paid $269 a month to insure
> the family. The price jumped last year to $339 and this
> year to $780, more than their monthly mortgage payment.
>
> Her husband works for a small landscaping company that does
> not offer insurance. So Mrs. Arellano is insured, but her
> husband, Jose, and their three children - Jackie, 16; Joe,
> 15; and Anthony, 13 - are going without insurance.
>
> The Arellanos' income, which ranges from $2,800 to $3,200 a
> month, makes them ineligible for state-subsidized
> insurance. Their basic expenses run $2,000 a month or more.
>
>
> "I'm one of those people in the middle," Mrs. Arellano
> said. "We don't make enough to pay for insurance ourselves,
> but we make too much to qualify for CHIP," the
> government-subsidized program for children.
>
> So her children were recently at the Rockwall clinic for
> the physicals they need to participate in after-school
> sports, paying $25 instead of the $100 or more Mrs.
> Arellano would have paid at the doctor's office.
>
> The family has catastrophic insurance, but Mrs. Arellano is
> uncertain how much longer she can afford it. Mr. Arellano's
> income typically drops in the winter, and his wife is
> hoping the children will then qualify for the state
> insurance program.
>
> Even so, newly initiated regulations require families to
> reapply for the insurance every six months, rather than
> once a year, so they are not likely to qualify for long.
>
> "I'll take what I can get," Mrs. Arellano said.
>
>
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