RE: [Futurework] http://www.glaesernemanufaktur.de/

[Cordell . Arthur]

fyi, Harry, just another example of social costs.   Cruise Ship Engineers Indicted on Charges of Hiding Dumping The Associated Press MIAMI (AP) - Three cruise ship engineers were indicted Thursday on charges of falsifying log books to conceal the dumping of waste oil at sea. Knut Sorboe, Peter Solemdal and Aage Lokkebraten, all of Norway, were employees of Norwegian Cruise Line Ltd. at the time of the alleged crimes, said Tom Sansonetti, assistant attorney general for the Justice Department's Environment and Natural Resources Division. They no longer work for the cruise line, the company said. It could not immediately be determined if they had attorneys. Norwegian Cruise Line pleaded guilty in April 2000 to keeping a false log book and admitted the company lied to the Coast Guard for three years about unlawful discharges from the 2,030-passenger SS Norway during weekly Caribbean voyages. The company paid a $1.5 million fine. Norwegian admitted polluting the ocean in two ways: flushing an oil sensor with fresh water to make contaminated discharges look clean and dumping untreated wastewater overboard. It is unknown how much oil and contaminated water was dumped. The indictment alleges that the men used false log books to conceal the broken oil sensor. The log books are required as a pollution record, inspected by the Coast Guard, prosecutors said. The men each face up to 15 years in prison if convicted on the conspiracy and falsification charges. An employee fired from the Norway reported the matter to the Environmental Protection Agency in 1999. The whistle-blower has been awarded $250,000 for the tip, prosecutors said. AP-ES-12-18-03 2150EST This story can be found at: http://ap.tbo.com/ap/breaking/MGASMTBNDOD.html -----Original Message----- From: Cordell, Arthur: ECOM Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 10:26 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Futurework] http://www.glaesernemanufaktur.de/ As long as the price of the product includes the social costs (externalities) I think that consumers should consume until the "well runs dry"  (of course if the product is properly priced, including the future discount rate of increasingly scarce resources, then prices will rise)   arthur -----Original Message----- From: Harry Pollard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 5:39 AM To: Cordell, Arthur: ECOM; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Futurework] http://www.glaesernemanufaktur.de/ Arthur,   As you might agree, one person’s crap is another person’s joy.   I really don’t like Ed’s implication that one person has the legal right to deny another person what he wants because it is thought to be crap.   A Brave New World of force and coercion.   Harry ******************************************** Henry George School of Social Science of Los Angeles Box 655  Tujunga  CA  91042 Tel: 818 352-4141  --  Fax: 818 353-2242 http://haledward.home.comcast.net ********************************************   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2003 5:39 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Futurework] http://www.glaesernemanufaktur.de/   We are awash in goods (or as you call it crap).  Huge effort is spent on clearing the shelves of this crap and getting people to buy more so that more can be produced and sold.  This is the way income is created and distributed.  With so much effort by governments and advertising and marketing etc., to move products it seems that yes the production problem has been solved.   arthur -----Original Message----- From: Ed Weick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2003 8:41 AM To: Harry Pollard; Cordell, Arthur: ECOM; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Futurework] http://www.glaesernemanufaktur.de/ I don't think we've solved the production problem.  One reason for our inequitable distribution of income is that we use our scarce resources to produce a lot of crap.  A lot of people make a lot of money producing crap.  Others keep them rich and themselves poor by buying it.   Ed     ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harry Pollard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2003 2:00 AM Subject: RE: [Futurework] http://www.glaesernemanufaktur.de/   Ø     Arthur, > > Wouldn't you know it? > > You almost repeated - word for word - what Henry George said in > 1878. > > Great minds think alike! > > It's the reason why Classical Political Economy is described as > "The Science that deals with the Nature, the Production, and the > Distribution of Wealth. > > That "Distribution" bit is the essence of Political Economy. > Would that modern economists would start thinking about why the > distribution is so unfair, instead of devising ways to patch the > system by taking from the rich and giving to the poor. > > Harry     --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. 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