Hi Arthur, I agree with Matthew - the features for a general release are already frozen and there is no need to lump in new additions at this stage. Doing so would only have the effect of adding uncertainty and requiring additional RCs to the schedule. It's far more attractive to have a GA release and do these kinds of things afterwards.
It may seem unintuitive, but sticking to the plan has immense value. I'll so some more hollering once it's released of course ;). Paddy Pádraic Brady http://blog.astrumfutura.com http://www.patternsforphp.com ----- Original Message ---- From: Matthew Weier O'Phinney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: fw-general@lists.zend.com Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 4:01:10 AM Subject: Re: Fw: [fw-general] Two-Step View, subclassing controller, etc -- Arthur M. Kang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote (on Monday, 25 June 2007, 05:58 PM -0700): > Why isn't it under consideration to take Padraic's proposal/code (and others) > and integrate a cleaned up version into Zend_View? Why do a > Zend_View_Enhanced? Why do a Zend_Layout? etc... > > From what I've seen and read: > > • Most developers will need one or more view enhancements that Padraic has > proposed - myself included. > • The Framework's current view implementation could use the "enhancements" > to > turn it into a "robust" implementation. > • Padraic's proposal probably meets 99% of common view and layout needs > (Just > a guess :-) ) > • Most MVCs handle views this way - why re-invent the wheel? > • Cross-module partials would be naturally useful as modular structure is > encouraged. > > I sincerely applaud the effort and the codebase of the RC3 release. In my > opinion, it is all well done and continuing to move in a positive direction. > All contributors should be really proud of the product. I just really think > this is one of the last critical pieces to the CORE puzzle and shouldn't be > neglected or fragmented into other classes or branches. > > Isn't there any interest in wrapping up all relevant contributions into the > core View implementation? What is the future plan for Zend_View? There's plenty of interest. The issue right now is getting a stable and tested version of ZF out the door that developers can rely on. We are in RC status, which means, loosely, no new features, and bugfixes/security fixes only. (I say loosely, as there have been a few new features creeping in, but most have been backwards compatible or augment existing functionality.) To give an idea of what I mean by "getting a stable and tested version of ZF out the door," I personally addressed over 30 issues in the tracker between RC2 and RC3. There are still a few lingering issues and a few classes that need better test coverage. But if we add new features such as layout and partials support *now*, that means pushing the date back. Some may ask, why not push the date back and get *all* the features in? Simple: when do we decide we have all the features? when does the API freeze? There's a really great article about time-based release management versus "release when ready": http://www.linux.com/articles/114247 What it comes down to is: a lot of developers are waiting to use ZF until it has its first stable release, and continuing to push that off into the future will only delay ZF uptake -- and thus contributions to the project. There is definitely room for new features and polishing -- that's why there *will* be life after 1.0. Stay tuned after the release -- there are plenty of proposals and ideas just waiting in the wings for after this milestone. > Pádraic Brady wrote: > > or this...lol > > > http://svn.astrumfutura.org/zendframework/trunk/library/Proposed/Zend/View/ > Helper/Partial.php > > Never have so many heads bumped the same wall...;). I do think > cross-module > partials are useful. The problem doing it is configuring a new View > assuming it has no interaction with a controller. The ViewRenderer would > likely work though it's lodged in the Controller. > > > > Pádraic Brady > http://blog.astrumfutura.com > http://www.patternsforphp.com > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Ralph Schindler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: fw-general@lists.zend.com > Sent: Monday, June 25, 2007 10:54:11 PM > Subject: Re: [fw-general] Two-Step View, subclassing controller, etc > > Matthew Weier O'Phinney wrote: > > > > Partials have been on my to-do list for a while now. They actually don't > > require any changes on the view level; you can very simply create a new > > View object in the helper, setup the environment from the old view > > object (minus the variables), assign variables as passed, and then > > render the "partial" view. I just need to write good test cases for > > them, and determine the syntax for pulling them. > > You mean like this: ;) > http://svn.ralphschindler.com/repo/Xend/library/Xend/Layout/ViewHelper/ > Partial.php > > > > ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ > Get the free Yahoo! toolbar and rest assured with the added security of > spyware protection. > > > > ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ > Got a little couch potato? > Check out fun summer activities for kids. > -- Matthew Weier O'Phinney PHP Developer | [EMAIL PROTECTED] Zend - The PHP Company | http://www.zend.com/ ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545469
