I'm pretty sure you're right - most open source applications start as simple solution and grow into mutated monsters from there ;). I do think the ZF is in poll position to drive more of those though - the use at will architecture makes retrofitting existing hacked up solutions extremely easy. Another point however is that PHP has been around long enough that the available open source applications meet a lot of needs without resorting to new ones - that's bound to make open source ZF applications very rare. Most of the potential ZF examples will be proprietary and not open source.
wllm wrote: > > I actually have not gotten this impression. In fact, Andi just blogged > about 2 ZF-based apps that are finalists in SourceForge's Community Choice > Awards (Magento and Tine 2.0 if you'd rather not follow the link): > http://andigutmans.blogspot.com/2008/07/zf-well-represented-at-sourceforge.html. > > There are lots of other projects based on ZF, but I can understand why > they may not have gotten a lot of attention: > > > > · A lot of these projects are actually closed source powering > sites/apps at large companies and organizations. You might be surprised to > find out how widespread it is in the 'enterprise' environment; I bet most > of you use ZF daily without even knowing it. If I had to guess, I'd say > this is because ZF has always taken the difficult position of prioritizing > power & flexibility over usability in the first few hours. This is > something that companies appreciate since they have their requirements at > hand when they are choosing the framework, but OS projects are often built > up more organically from (sometime simple) projects with requirements > coalescing during development. They might not realize that ZF is a good > fit for them from the outset. Like I said- just a guess. J > > · ZF is still relatively young with little more than a year under > our belt since the 1.0 release. > > · A lot of projects actually use ZF components, but don't identify > or advertise themselves as ZF-based. We get back to the question of what > exactly a ZF app is. Ultimately, I don't care as long as people are using > it. ;) > > · We don't have a big-player CMS based on ZF. CMS's seem to almost > reign supreme as the ultimate app in the PHP world and are the lifeblood > of many PHPer's development lives. It's a very different situation in > other communities in my experience, where CMS's are just another class of > applications along with the usual acronym suspects like CRM, ERP, BI, etc. > I think this is just a matter of time on this count. > > > > We would definitely love to have a list of ZF-based projects on the ZF > site. Please, everyone, let me know if you have a project of your own and > a link! > > > > ,Wil > > > > From: Robert Castley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 3:09 PM > To: Jurriën Stutterheim > Cc: Zend Framework General > Subject: RE: [fw-general] Announcing Project Planetarium! > > > > It's great to see another Open Source ZF app out there. I thought I was > alone ;-) > > > > I am surprised there hasn't been a bigger take up. Maybe it is time to > have a page on the ZF site dedicated to promoting and supporting OS ZF > apps. > > > > At the moment the trawl of the web turns up little to nothing in regards > to (useful) apps using ZF as the backbone. Tons of tutorials and howtos > yes, but nothing really functional. > > > > Padraic's blog tutorial has been a really useful resource for me as I > explore the deeper depths of ZF. > > > > I know this is a framework that can be used standalone, MVC etc. but I > think people out there would really benefit from seeing how easily and > QUICKLY! apps can be > > put together. > > > > I speak from experience. My little OS project (ZFWiki) took 2 days to get > a functional prototype out, a few weeks down the line and I have something > > that is 'almost' ready to be rolled out internally at the company I work > for. > > > > ZF is amazing, I love it (and the community that helps me understand it > better), but it would be great to see more apps/utils out there that use > ZF. > > > > Good luck with your project! > > > > - Robert > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Pádraic Brady [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 22 July 2008 21:22 > To: Jurriën Stutterheim > Cc: Zend Framework General > Subject: Re: [fw-general] Announcing Project Planetarium! > > Hi Jurriën, > > Not many people are aware of this since it's been going on slowly over a > couple of months, but I've been running a parallel course. I started back > in January (before the chaos of February hit me) prototyping some code for > a future aggregator. It hasn't gone a huge step forward but it's heavily > linked to the ongoing Example Blog Series I've been doing for a while. As > an exercise in kill two birds with one stone it's a good match. In January > we also moved to register the planetzendframework.com domain (and its > close relatives). We considered planetzf.com - but figured zf wasn't > obvious enough and we're all verbose characters anyway. I do know Zend > snapped it up though back in April ;). > > Based on the progress to date since I got back to work in May, we were > aiming for a release date out in August/September. Most of the aggregator > scripting I have works but we're missing a completed piece to weed out > duplicate entries and catch additional RSS oddities (both problems are > linked - can't find duplicates if some RSS isn't correctly parsed). > Largely it's been something worked on in those infrequent downtimes a few > of us have. It has ended up being a bit hackish as a result but a cleanup > can be done once it all ticks. We haven't considered it seriously as an > open source work though the growing blog series I'm writing is working > towards it. It still won't be an Aggregator - it's first and foremost a > simple one-person blog app. > > I in no way post this to discourage - I think having well executed > (non-hackish) examples of Zend Framework applications is an important part > of establishing common ground on how to put an application together. I'd > suggest following the progress of Zend_Tool to see where it introduces new > conventions while automating project setups and such. I also have no idea > whether Zend plans a planet aggregator site but they do have a domain for > a possible one, but we've had some fun, arguments and laughs building this > one and I will be putting it out there. I guess the last straw on my side > was seeing my own blog kicked off Planet-PHP for being too Zend Framework > oriented (project related blogs are not acceptable on Planet-PHP). That > brought home my own recent motivation to get something up and running > where any ZF related posts are welcome and where I and others can be > aggregated without fear of being booted. > > Best of luck, > > Paddy > > > > Pádraic Brady > > http://blog.astrumfutura.com > http://www.patternsforphp.com > OpenID Europe Foundation <http://www.openideurope.eu/> > > > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Jurriën Stutterheim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: Zend Framework - General <fw-general@lists.zend.com> > Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 1:54:26 PM > Subject: [fw-general] Announcing Project Planetarium! > > Hi all, > > > Today I'm glad to announce project Planetarium to you all! > Some of you might have already heard of Planetarium in the #zftalk.dev > channel. For those of you that haven't, allow me to get you up to speed. > Planetarium is a blog aggregator much like the one used for Planet > PHP. It differs from existing aggregators in the fact that it makes > use of the Zend Framework to accomplish its task. > There are basically two reasons why we decided to setup a new project. > For one, this piece of software can serve as an example to demonstrate > a fully operational Zend Framework based application to the world. > Also, Zend is looking to set up a central place where Zend Framework > developers can read all Zend Framework related blog posts. What better > software to use for Zend Framework related articles than a Zend > Framework based application? ;) > > At the moment of writing the project is still in its infant stages and > not much code is written yet. There's a small requirements > specification in the project's SVN, for those of you who want to read > about Planetarium in more detail. > I want to encourage you - the Zend Framework community - to join us > in developing this great new product. You can contribute even by just > hanging around in our IRC channel and discussing ideas or you could > decide to help out with documentation or some coding. This project is, > like the Zend Framework is, a real community effort and will be > released with the same generous BSD license as the Zend Framework > itself. > > For more information, have a look at the links posted at the bottom of > this email. > > > See you on IRC or the mailing lists! > > > > - Jurriën > > > P.S.: The promised links: > SF.net project page: http://sourceforge.net/projects/zf-planetarium/ > Mailing lists: http://sourceforge.net/mail/?group_id=234479 > Requirements specification: > http://zf-planetarium.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/zf-planetarium/trunk/docs/requirements.txt?view=markup > IRC: #planetarium @ irc.freenode.net > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > This email has been scanned for all known viruses by the MessageLabs Email > Security Service and the Macro 4 plc internal virus protection system. > ________________________________________________________________________ > > ________________________________________________________________________ > This email has been scanned for all known viruses by the MessageLabs Email > Security Service and the Macro 4 plc internal virus protection system. > ________________________________________________________________________ > > > ----- Pádraic Brady http://blog.astrumfutura.com http://www.patternsforphp.com OpenID Europe Foundation - Irish Representative -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Announcing-Project-Planetarium%21-tp18588803p18605723.html Sent from the Zend Framework mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
