@marco Yeah true and I guess I was also talking about my experiance. I didn't touch composer when I first dived into ZF2. It slipped my mind also the composer direction in the tutorial, but like you said, you don't need composer till needs must. So I would stick by what I said
Thanks Daniel Marco Pivetta <ocram...@gmail.com> wrote: @Dan each new user coming in has been using composer or directed to composer so far (talking of the support I give via IRC)... It's just my experience though. People should learn PSR-0 these days, and once you got PSR-0, composer is kinda "must" :\ Marco Pivetta http://twitter.com/Ocramius http://ocramius.github.com/ On 30 May 2013 19:48, Dan.latter <dan.lat...@gmail.com> wrote: loader In my opinion all you are doing is adding another step a new user will have to perform when getting up and running with ZF2, and thus adding another layer of complexity, to what is already somthing that is hard to get a grip of. Maybe add 2 implementations or show how both are used but with loader as default. I understand composer has benefits in the long run but you are learning ZF2 , not composer. Thanks Daniel Marco Pivetta <ocram...@gmail.com> wrote: Hi everybody! tl;dr: ZF2: do you use composer or Zend\Loader? Simply reply with "loader" or "composer" :) I've been discussing on IRC about dropping the pre-configured Zend\Loader instance in standard MVC applications (we're discussing that for ZF3). Since I was asserting that most users do use composer for autoloading their stuff, I got told to get proof of that - so please just drop me a line :) The main idea is to move away from configuring autoloading per-library and instead use composer to autoload everything. Here's how the config of a composer.json file would look: { "autoload": { "psr-0": { "MyLib": "path/to/my-lib" } } } Here's how it would look with Zend\Loader: include $zf2Path . '/Zend/Loader/AutoloaderFactory.php'; Zend\Loader\AutoloaderFactory::factory(array( 'Zend\Loader\StandardAutoloader' => array( 'autoregister_zf' => true, 'namespaces' => array( 'MyLib' => "path/to/my-lib", ), ) )); The main difference here is that composer requires us to run `composer dump-autoload` before being able to use `MyLib` The idea is NOT about dropping Zend\Loader, but just removing the initialization logic from the skeleton application. If you also have thoughts except for your preference, please share! Marco Pivetta http://twitter.com/Ocramius http://ocramius.github.com/
