On Wednesday, Oct 9, 2002, at 01:11 US/Pacific, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> mind set. But after installing it on my laptop, I have officially lost 
> faith
> in Apple's ability to make a functional operating system (its just 
> gone down
> hill from os 8...) This is my last hope- that you guys can help me- 
> and I'm
> willing to bet that you can ( =
> This is what I am working on:
> A 333 bronze powerbook,
> 4.5gig hd
> 320mb ram
> 24x CD
> no additional cards, no airport
>
> So then came the next part- jag.
> I inserted CD 1, checked for firmware updates, of which there were 
> none, and
> proceeded to install. Wow, what a cool start up! I love the apple and
> spinning line design! truly simple and elegant. Well, mid install, it 
> froze
> and I got to see the start up again as i went to install a second 
> time. woo
> hoo! This time it worked like a charm, getting through both CDs and to 
> the
> desktop. Very cool, I have to admit that it IS much more responsive. I
> clicked on sherlock to see what apple did that was new in 3, and it 
> said it
> needed an internet connection. I was a bit confused, so I hit apple-f 
> and was
> rewarded by a system 7.6-esque find function- I was very happy to see 
> that,
> as I wasn't really crazy about sherlock to begin with. I went back to
> sherlock- and the computer froze. I restarted, then went into system 
> control
> panels to change my clock style- and it froze. I restarted, and this 
> time it
> lasted more than 30 seconds, nearly 4 minutes. That ended once I 
> clicked on
> the apple menu. Froze again.

I would suggest doing the Jaguar installation directly rather than 
upgrading from a previous version, but I don't believe that's your 
problem.

> I dont get it. What am I missing? is there some sort of 'dont freeze
> randomly' option I have to find in the control panel? I think there 
> should
> be. Also important to note, I formatted the hd before starting this 
> whole X
> fiasco, even taking the time to zero all data. Aside from my complaint 
> that
> it should NOT take an assembly language programer's level of computer
> expertise to get an operating system on a clean computer, it obviously 
> does
> and I sadly lack that expertise. I can write "hello world."

I think you have hardware problems, and am guessing ram.  Those lines 
of text you described were indeed the result of a kernel panic, which 
is almost always hardware or a very low-level driver of some kind.  
That's not normal, the freezes aren't normal, having to repeat the 
installation isn't normal.  Pulling/swapping ram would be my next step. 
  I know, I know, it works under 9.  Ram problems can be mysterious, 
Novell Netware used to be the worst.  You could take a box that had 
been running Windows or Unix for months, install Netware, and it would 
bomb every hour until you replaced the ram with some that it liked.  
What people say about one OS "stressing" the ram harder than another is 
a horrendous oversimplification, but certainly memory problems can 
surface under one OS but not another.  You've never had *any* problems 
with this machine before?

KeS


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