> John Siple at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 12/9/05 1:33 PM
> 
> I have a G4 iBook and got new for a discount because it only has a CD
> drive. That was all I wanted really. The seller, Small Dog, sold it
> as new old stock and provided the OS. You should know that if you
> find a G4 without a DVD drive you'll have to specify that your OS
> install disks have to be CD. Tiger is available on CDs from Apple but
> the default medium for Tiger is DVD. In fact if you bought Tiger on a
> DVD you can send the DVD to Apple and they'll sell you the CD version
> for I think $15 or so.

Thanks, John, for the helpful tips.  I've only been looking at machines with
Combo drives because I definitely want an internal CDRW.

And, yeah, I did notice one seller saying they would NOT include the coupon
for getting the DVD in CD from apple.  Prior to that I didn't realize there
was such a thing. 

> eBay-ers will probably bid the price of that G4 way over $400.

I'm sure you're right.  I'm not an ebay fan, really, I have never bought one
single thing there before -- never could access the site with dial-up, it
was monstrously slow and I couldn't stand it.  But just got high speed and
went to check it out.  I was mainly checking out the Buy it Now items
because I'm not into all that frenzied bidding at the last second.

> I've also run into sneaky stuff like little extra charges because the
> sellers complain that they are just paying too much for PayPal.

Yeah, that's baloney, I see that in a lot of places besides ebay, people
adding $10 or $15 to the price because they have to pay PayPal and they try
to bum it off on the buyer.  Even non-profits are doing that, I ran across
two recently who did that, and I say, If you want my $, don't be such a
cheapskate, I'm not going to pay your fees, too!  :-/

> I  find eBay completely odious. But you may find really good deals via
> DealMac, where you can sign up for alerts on low prices for G4 iBooks.

;-)  I guess we agree ebay isn't the greatest all around.  It is a little
scary, especially the unknown people, though there are some regular mac
shops that list items there, too, like powerbookguy and brentsales are two I
noticed and have been mulling over some of their items.  I'll have to
revisit DealMac... I haven't checked all places yet.

> Also remember that a new iBook comes not only with an OS, but with
> other bundled applications that aren't part of the OS installation.
> So when comparing you may find that the loss of things like
> Appleworks or Quicken may factor into your cost analysis.

Thank you, I did notice the difference in the descriptions of Full-Install
CDs/DVDs and other "upgrade" versions. Some people are good at writing
detailed descriptions of their items and what is included, even all the
items on the CDs/DVDs, and then others you have to email them 3 times to get
the simple specifics of what you'd like to know!
 
> Caveat emptor.
> John

The G3/500mhz/55gig/384ram/Tiger guy actually sent me an ebay message asking
if I wanted to look at his ebay item, and he listed the item #.  When I
asked how he knew I was even looking, he never gave an answer (I assumed he
saw my name in another bid) but I wondered how "cool" was it for him to
contact people like that who have bid on other items?  I dunno, since I'm
not an experienced ebay'er, maybe that's the norm and is no big deal.  Then
it turns out he's French but the item is in TX, and since his English (or
maybe just his typing) is choppy, he doesn't write complete answers.  So
that was making me nervous even though his is a good-sounding-deal, too.

So Yes, indeed, beware.
Thanks!
Gail
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On Dec 9, 2005, at 9:40 AM, BGbank wrote:

>>> Dylan McDermond at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 12/9/05 10:46 AM
>>> G4 iBooks will require Panther or better. It will not boot into any
>>> version of 9. Just buy the retail CD's for Panther or DVD for Tiger,
>>> boot with the "C" key held down. Nothing more to it than that.
>>> -Dylan
>
> THANK YOU Dylan.  I didn't know about the C key.  That sounds
> simple enough!
>
>>> Laurent Daudelin at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 12/9/05  8:33 AM
>>> Depending on the model of iBook, it may or may not boot from that  OS 9.1
>>> CD. Any Macintosh will be able to boot from an appropriate system  install
>>> CD. The CD has a version of the OS so that the Mac can boot from it.  The
>>> only gotcha is to make sure that the system install CD you have is
>>> appropriate for the specific model of Mac you're planning to use it with.
>>> -Laurent.
>>> 
> That sounds easy enough to figure out by checking some specs at  everymac or
> apple, which I did, and so I'm thinking OS9 would NOT work on the  G4/800mhz,
> first edition.  I never had a mac w/No OS, so wasn't sure.  Thanks  again.
> 
>>> Krow Magnum at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 12/9/05 10:47 AM First, the
>>> price of the iBook should be discounted because there  is no original CD or
>>> OS loaded on the iBook. It should be sold with the original OS and include
>>> the CD's but that does not happen all the  time so you will be responsible
>>> to get a licensed OS for it.

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