I've used the de-frag features of Norton, TTPro, DW's Plus Optimizer, and Heat Utilities [on my FW drive]. There has been times that Norton has screwed things up, like when Speed Disk gets to a point when it decides "... there is not enough room to continue...." It completely hosed a volume on my FW external that was a backup of one of my boot drives, to the point where it disappeared from the desktop and was not repairable with anything. I had to re-initialize said volume....and completely lost my backup. I'm now very cautious/nervous when using Speed Disk, and therefore I don't wait untill things are really bad. A little defragging here and there as opposed to one big defragging.... I do still use it on my internet boot drive, cautiously... Have had some weirdness with TTP after defragging as well , authorizations lost. Plus Optimizer will let you anchor/unanchor files, such as authorizations, so that they don't get hosed, but be carefull whichever you select, or things might get hosed... Have experienced no problems with Heat Utilities optimizer on the FW drive. An allternative for defragging without the aid of extra software: If you have a spare drive/volume/partition handy that's large enough for the one that you're trying to defrag, just do a Finder copy. This will re-write the data in one contiguous chunk, minus the fragmentation. Double check that all's well with the copy, then you can trash the original and copy back over to it. Data now defragged, with no otherr software involved. This of course depends on what you've got to do, size wise, etc.... You can run NSD to get the report-without actually engaging the defrag operation, and if it says that some files are too large, just do the Finder copy on those files. I do this with my audio drives/volumes [2-5Gig] on my DAW all the time, which can have some pretty big files at times, and feel it's much safer than using ANY utility to move files around. Just my .02.... SS > > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 03:52:12 -0400 > Subject: defragment > From: KurtWAppling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Hi all, does discwarrior or techtool pro include defragmnting feature? > thanks in advance > > > > > TechTool does (although I have a hard time getting it > to work right), and DiskWarrior does not. When I > bought DiskWarrior, it came bundled with > PlusOptimizer, which is a *very* good defragmenter, > and is probably worth buying, even if you have to buy > it separately. HTH > > Alex MacLeod > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 08:47:48 -0500 > Subject: Re: defragment > From: Bill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > on 8/6/01 3:25 AM, Alexander MacLeod at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > When I bought DiskWarrior, it came bundled with PlusOptimizer, which is a > > *very* good defragmenter, and is probably worth buying, even if you have to > > buy it separately. HTH > > > Alex MacLeod > > > I've heard that Norton's speed disk is a "good" defragmenter, and I've also > heard that PlusOptimizer is a "good" defragmenter. How come they work so > differently? If I defrag with PlusOptimizer and then check the disk with > Norton's speed disk, it says my fragmentation is severe. Which program is > better? I really don't notice any real speed difference after using either. > > Just putting it out there, Bill > > -- > > > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 10:11:21 -0700 (PDT) > From: Alexander MacLeod <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: defragment > > --- Bill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I've heard that Norton's speed disk is a "good" > > defragmenter, and I've also > > heard that PlusOptimizer is a "good" defragmenter. > > How come they work so > > differently? If I defrag with PlusOptimizer and > > then check the disk with > > Norton's speed disk, it says my fragmentation is > > severe. Which program is > > better? I really don't notice any real speed > > difference after using either. > > > > Just putting it out there, Bill > > I have heard that speed disk is good, too, but my > experiences with Symantec have been less than stellar, > to say the least (loong story). OTOH, Alsoft is an > exceptional small company who deserves every Mac > user's support (IMHO :). > > I think that all these products work in slightly > different ways (TTPro included), and you should never > use more than one of them to defrag. It can probably > create more problems than it cures. > > Alex MacLeod > -- Sent from: Monster! the mighty Apple G4! -- G-List is sponsored by <http://lowendmac.com/> and... 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