This long thread got transmuted several different ways, and one of the branches got into a topic that we see over and over in these lists. I know we'll see it again before the year is out. I pasted two parts of the thread below.
When one buys a new Mac, the installed OS comes with its proper CD. OS updates are usually free and downloadable from Apple. An OS upgrade is usually a cost item, but an upgrade may be free as in the case of the OS X 10.1 Upgrade kit that was available while supplies lasted. When the original owner wants to upgrade the OS cleanly and legally, that person acquires the upgrade media legally, that is, in unused, uncopied condition. If the owner then sells the Mac, the OS media that contains the installed, licensed software must accompany the Mac. Yes indeed, it is reasonable that a used Mac have an OS installed. But if the OS media does not come with the machine, part of the deal is missing! That media is "part of the purchase price" unless explicitely agreed to otherwise. The new owner assumes the responsibility to legally acquire an OS CD and then make the machine match that CD. This excludes using or copying an OS CD that belongs to another machine. So what happens to the media that should have come with the Mac? The former owner kept the legal media for use on another Mac and made the sold machine illegal. Or the former owner made the Mac illegal in the first place by loading an OS from a CD that belonged to another Mac. The former owner could have made the sold machine legal by handing over the OS media that came with the Mac when new. Then either the former owner or the buyer makes the machine legal by reloading that original OS. Can one ever legally install an OS on a second machine? Sure, if the first machine dies and is destroyed. Sure, if the OS or rather "System" is now a free download from Apple, such as 7.5 or 7.1. Question: What about buying the latest version of an OS, say X 10.1 and 9.2, to replace the original OS 8.5 on a Mac -- can I then use the 8.5 media to load on another Mac? Or, can I sell it as a legal license? I should think so. I've bought an entirely new, complete OS, not an "upgrade." The word out there? On 02 May 2002 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> From: Tim Collier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> And I guess you don't think that "honesty" is a virtue we should all aspire >> for? I hope your children don't pick up your "ethics"....otherwise our >> future is in the dumpster. >> >> Tim > > Well, I'm not sure where the "honesty" part comes into play. I have not > received an answer to my statement that all Macs come with an OS installed > upon purchase from Apple. That is part of the purchase price. So when > purchasing a machine second hand, is it not reasonable that it have an OS > installed?? Lets get this answered and then you can start questioning my > "ethics". On 02 May 2002 Tim Collier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Here, you're wrong. You cannot upgrade to OS 9 from OS 8.6. You can update > OS 9 to 9.1 to 9.2 but not from 8.6. > And I guess you don't think that "honesty" is a virtue we should all aspire > for? I hope your children don't pick up your "ethics"....otherwise our > future is in the dumpster. > > Tim > >> Please don't start spouting off about moral fibre, makes me need to use the >> toilet. FYI, if you go to the Apple web site, you are able to download, for >> FREE, the OS 9.1 updater, which only needs 8.6 to be installed on your >> machine. You can also download the OS 9.2.1 and 9.2.2 updaters. I know, >> because I just downloaded the 9.1 component. So as far as I can tell, I'm in >> the clear, both MORALLY and legally. >> >> Ron -- Al Poulin Anger, hate, and revenge are for the devil, forgiveness is for God, proactive self-defense is for the rest of us. -- G-List is sponsored by <http://lowendmac.com/> and... Small Dog Electronics http://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- We have Apple Refurbished Monitors in stock! | & CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac <http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html> G-List list info: <http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml> Send list messages to: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To unsubscribe, email: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> For digest mode, email: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subscription questions: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Archive: <http://www.mail-archive.com/g-list%40mail.maclaunch.com/> Using a Macintosh? Get free email and more at Applelinks! <http://www.applelinks.com>
