Bravo Bruce! I get so tired of certain persons on this list who continue to think that their antique Macs can ever perform to the level of a current modern G4 or G5 (or even a late model G3). It's cute and quaint but in no way a power computer no matter how many RAID drives you have attached, no matter how much RAM you have installed and no matter how many PCI cards you have. The last 8500 model was introduced in 1996, will not run OS X and only has 3 PCI slots. The last 8600 was introduced in 1997, still doesn't run OS X and still only has 3 PCI slots all based on a 604e processor. Isn't that comparable to a (PC 486? Or being generous an early Pentium I?). Keep using your antique until the day you find that it won't run anything that we modern users are running. I'm currently running 10.3.7 and will buy Tiger the day it comes out.....you can do neither (by the way, I'm talking to 'macfan' not Bruce).
Tim On 1/12/05 10:35 PM, "Bruce Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Wednesday, January 12, 2005, at 04:15 PM, macfan wrote: >>> >> Consider me one of the big time cheapskates as I have no desire for a >> Mac Mini at any price. The Mini has one memory slot, a notebook >> hard-drive, very low end graphics card, only a 400 firewire port, and >> isn't considered user upgradeable. Give me my processor upgraded >> 8500s, and 8600s any day. Eight memory slots, tons of drive space, and >> I can put in any PCI card I want. I even have raids installed in mine, >> not to mention I am running SCSI which is far superior in speed to > IDE. > > ROFL. > > Yes. Modern, top end SCSI drives are faster. They're also four or five > times the cost for half the disk space. > > This is Apple's low end consumer machine, and is selling for about one > sixth to one tenth of what your 8600 cost new. > > Plus, there is no way in hell you're getting anything remotely > approximating that kind of performance in your 8600. > > You're deluded if you think hanging a SCSI raid off a 50Mhz bus in an > 8600 is going to be as fast as an ATA-133 drive on a system with a > 333MHz memory bus and a 1.2Ghz processor, even if it IS a 5400 RPM > laptop drive. > > (and, by the way, you can indeed put a raid on this system; it'll be > external but Firewire raids are quite common, and OS X supports > creating raids in software out of any two disks) > > You can only just match the Mini's memory (1G) in one slot with your > eight; and the Radeon 4X AGP 9200 graphics card in that is hardly 'very > low end' especially when you compare it to *anything* you could > possibly stick in your 8600. > > The absolute best possible card you can put into it, the Radeon 9200 > Mac Edition does have more vram, and the same video processor, but its > still hobbled by the slow bus in your 8600. > > It's only low end compared to other cards and systems that your 8600 is > not.... > > I'll grant you you can put a FW800 card in your machine, and a gigabit > ethernet card, and you're still going to be no faster because none of > those things are the bottleneck on your computer, the one thing you > cannot escape, which is that it's an antique, slow motherboard. > > -- > "Wherever you go, there you are." - B. Banzai, Ph.D. > Bruce Johnson > > -- Exterminate all rational thought. -- G-List is sponsored by <http://lowendmac.com/> and... Small Dog Electronics http://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- We have Apple Refurbished Monitors in stock! | & CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac <http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html> G-List list info: <http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml> --> AOL users, remove "mailto:"; Send list messages to: <mailto:[email protected]> To unsubscribe, email: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> For digest mode, email: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subscription questions: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Archive: <http://www.mail-archive.com/g-list%40mail.maclaunch.com/> iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
