JR
My commentary:
I've been using OS X since 10.0 started shipping. For me, it has run just fine on 2 Beige G3 (one DT & one MT), a Umax s900 with a G3 card from a company that went out of business years ago, a 7500 with G3 card, a B&W G3 (eventually upgraded to a G4 Zif) and a Sawtooth that started as a single processor and upgraded to a Dual G4 450 w/ lots of add-ons. Of course the S900 & 7500 needed "help" installing. At this time, 4 of those machines are still in service running Jaguar or Panther. In all that time, on all those machines, I have seen exactly ONE system crash, and that was due to a bad RAM stick in the Beige MT.
JR's point here is well taken. You need to make sure you have a system that is up to the challenge of running X.
1) Make certain your RAM is good.
2) Make sure you have enough RAM - in my experience, 320MB is the useable working minimum, 512MB or more is much, much better. Shut up with your lame excuses why you don't toss bad ram or why you try to run on 192MB.
3) Make sure you have plenty of HD space. No, I mean really, shut up with your lame excuses. On machines with the 8GB boot disk ceiling, put in a second drive and move the swap space to the second drive. Better yet, get a PCI IDE controller and bypass the problem altogether.
3a) At today's prices, for the cost of a IDE card, you Beige users could by a used B&W and be done with the problem while increasing your system bus speed and adding native FW & USB. Just do it.
4) Using a Beige machine's built-in video? Stop kidding yourself! Shut up and get a Radeon 7000. Yes, modded PC cards are fine if done by someone who knows what they are doing. Need advice, contact me off-list, and no I don't convert them myself.
Look people, it's this simple: OS X is an operating system that is an order of magnitude more complex than OS 8/9. As such, it's requirements do not lend themselves to systems that are seriously outdated or built with marginal components. Don't point your finger at Apple and complain, we would be having the same discussion if you were all complaining about Yellow Dog Linux on your Macs. You want a modern, Unix-based operating system with all the bells and whistles, you need a machine that the OS will be comfortable running in.
The best other advice I can give you is: if you need Ex Post Facto to make your machine run OS X, don't do it unless the computer is basically a toy to play with, not the computer you use every day to get real work done. XPF is a kludge - an amazing kludge, but a kludge just the same. Remember, just because something CAN be done, it does not mean it SHOULD be done. With used B&W prices so low, and G4 prices falling thanks to the Mini, if you are serious about making OS X your OS of choice, make sure your computer will run it without a crutch. (Yes, I did use XPF on two machines. But looking back - and ahead - I wouldn't do it again. It adds a messy layer of complexity that makes everything, especially troubleshooting, more difficult.)
If your machine isn't ready for OS X, or if you won't take the time to actually learn how to use this very different OS that bears only a superficial resemblance to OS 9, shut up already.
BTW, will you lazy folks who won't lift a finger to research a question before clogging the list with inane questions PLEASE BOOKMARK http://www.google.com/mac.html and try using it once in a while?!!?
Well, I've said my piece, now I will shut up too.
Daevad
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