On Oct 22, 2008, at 4:53 PM, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote:
> > On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 2:28 PM, Bruce Johnson > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> >> On Oct 22, 2008, at 10:54 AM, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote: >> >>> >>> Can you hear that in the background? That is sound of the Linux >>> flavors creeping up to pounce on the market in a major way while >>> Apple >>> tries to ignore the need of an Apple OS for the PC. >> >> >> >> AHAHAHAHAHAHA! >> >> <http://blog.laptopmag.com/msi-wind-coming-to-major-retailer-new-models-coming-soon >>> >> >> Linux-based netbooks are returned at a 4-1 rate over windows-based >> ones. >> >> The money quote: >> >> "People would love to pay $299 or $399 but they don't know what they >> get until they open the box. They start playing around with Linux and >> start realizing that it's not what they are used to. They don't want >> to spend time to learn it so they bring it back to the store. The >> return rate is at least four times higher for Linux netbooks than >> Windows XP netbooks." >> >> And this is from the guy who has a stake in selling the things. >> >> Anyone not deep into the flavor-aid will realize that no way in hell >> will Linux overtake even OS X in the consumer market any time soon, >> if >> ever. >> >> The mere fact that you mention 'flavors' shows a staggering ignorance >> of what the consumer market is like. Joe Sixpack is not going to try >> to decipher what the heck a different 'flavor' of Linux is... >> >> Linux on consumer systems has been tried again and again. If Wal- >> mart, >> Dell and MSI can't do it with $299 computers, it's not going to >> happen >> soon. >> >> If it's so damn much better why haven't you abandoned your Macs in >> favor of cheaper, more powerful Linux systems....why are you SOOO >> insistent that "Apple is Doomed, DOOMED I SAY!!!1!!" if they don't >> sell you cheap OSX on a pc box? >> >> Just go buy the cheap pc box and slap one of those creeping flavors >> of >> linux on it. >> >> According to your own logic, it's just as good. >> >> -- > > > I have yet to run Linux. I would not at this time buy Linux or even DL > a free "distro" ( what an ugly word, yech!) I never claimed it was > better. It is however making inroads into the minds of users. Inroads > that Apple has failed to make. I didn't say Apple is doomed, you did > when you keep insisting that an Apple OS cannot make it in the PC > marketplace. > > > Witness this Bruce ; > > http://blogs.zdnet.com/Apple/?p=2418&tag=nl.e550 > > Underpowered overpriced hardware can't even make it on the low end of > the Apple line. What is it about a Mid tower that has room for drives > and other upgrades that people can afford that is so offensive to you? > Not all of us have great jobs to afford a Mac Pro. Leaving the option > of the Mini or the iMac unfortunately does not fill the bill. Why are > you so dismissive of the needs of users who have low incomes and yet > want an Apple OS? You seem to take it to the point of class warfare. > Why the hatefulness? Aren't low income people good enough in your > sights to own an affordable Mac? Their money is somehow different ? > > Apple doesn't want people to have a Psystar for $ 550.00? Fine, why > can't they sell us the same thing? Or would that offend some > "Mercedes" minded sensitivity? If Psystar's success is any indication > there certainly exists a market for such a machine. > > Macs while not having a "one size fits all" marketing strategy does > demonstrate a " no size Mac fits the need of the general user" > policy. > > And the fact that Psystar is also selling a $ 1,000.00 dollar model > shows a market led need in that price niche also. A company as > responsive to consumer indicators and wants as Apple likes to portray > itself would feed that need and make it profitable. > > By your logic the $ 50 and $ 80 iPods should not be produced either as > they cater to the ( sniff!) lower classes. I don't know if you noticed > Bruce but the masthead here says " Low End Macs" Low as in > "'iwaanacheepmac!!!!11!!' " as you say. And by extension it could be > assumed that those who can afford paid help and support services and > brand new machines get their Mac opinions elsewhere. So the idea of > interest here in affordable Apple/ Mac usage and OS alternatives > should not surprise the astute. > > Linux has a long way to go in my opinion. However despite your claims > Linux boxes are moving in sales and Linux publishers are gaining a lot > of ground in the marketplace.Yet Apple cannot take a simple step or > two to win the hearts and minds of the general user public? How rigid > is that? I don't see any downside at all in either an affordable, > upgradeable bottom line Mac or an Apple OS for the PC or even both. I > believe in the long run those moves would pay off tremendously. > > If those Mac mid towers are marketed and / or an apple OS for PC sold > I would expect you to never buy either as I know you are a top of the > line kind of guy. But those of us who love the OS and have low > incomes will be buying them as best as our limited incomes can > accommodate. In fact I will buy two! HA! why do you keep thinking everyone is like you and wants a mid tower? Every single 'general user' I know wants either a laptop or an iMac like machine. they all HATE having a tower, seperate monitor cables etc. Go into your average, non- tech savvy house and open up the computer in that home you'll find it's never been upgraded (unless you consider all the dust from being on the floor an upgrade) our 700MHz eMac is still fine at home, someday we'll replace it with an iMac, I never ever want a tower at home again. and the mini, naa prefer all in one, simple an unobtrusive. now mid towers in general, I'd love to see something that had the power of an 8core macpro but in a much smaller (less upgradeable for all I care) package. you know what a pain it is to drag a macpro around on location? --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. 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