Hi Dark, Thanks for the correction. I couldn't remember if Terraformers used that movement system or not, but I do know I have generally found it lacking in action games as you apparently have as well.
It is okay in certain games like Entombed where it really does not depend on real time game play. In Entombed you move around in real time, but when it comes to actual combat that is turned based which works out rather well for that style of game. However, in other games like Self-Destruct or Night of Parasite I just found that top-down perspective a bit funky. Of course, part of my complaint is the same one you yourself addressed. Too many games fall into the hear it/hit it mentality that gets pretty old after a while. I want more games where you have to think about your attack more and have more ability to move around and attack from different angles and positions. Cheers! On 10/5/13, dark <d...@xgam.org> wrote: > Hi Tom. > > Just a miner correction, Terraformers doesn't actually use that system, > Terraformers is full first person similar to swap or shades, however you > cannot side step which makes movement a little clunky, though workable for > the puzzle type game terraformers is. > > Operation Black square from Dragonaps has that sort of movement, as does > Airic the clerric, as a conscious effort to echo the top down perspective of > > something like zelda, and of course Entombed uses it in Dungeons. Then there > > are the arcade games like super deakout (and it's original), Great toy > robbery, super egghunt and so on, although there the movements are less tyle > > based and a little more fluid. > > Myself, this is how I've personally always got that sort of movement system, > > a top down third person view in audio as opposed to the first person view > used by something like Swamp or shades of doom (or indeed terraformers). The > > only problem I've noticed is that it's very difficult in this perspective to > > actually give the player the ability to anticipate and learn there way > around enemy attacks, meaning that your either running away as soon as you > perceive an enemy, or just having a "hear it, hit it fast" sort of gameplay, > > which is why games in this view never really held my attention despite the > design on many other aspects something like night of parasite has. > > The only way I could see it working is some sort of enemy viewer letting you > > know the distance and position of nearby enemies rather like the object view > > in shades, and then sounds for specific attacks so that when you came upon a > > given enemy who attacked you would know how to avoid them, eg, a sound for > ramming, a sound for shooting etc, though this would make the game feel > somewhat closer to playing chess or even playing a roguelike than a fast > action audio game. > > in general I'm not really convinced this view is up to fast action, accept > of the very basic hear a sound and move towards or away style of gameplay > which games like super egghunt have, though as I've said, this is almost a > general problem of audio games, how to present the player with enough > information to require them to make snap judgements rather than basic > reactions, albeit games like swamp have included much of that. > > Beware the grue! > > Dark. > > > --- > Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org > If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to > gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. > You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. > All messages are archived and can be searched and read at > http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. > If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, > please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. > --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
