Hi Desiry.
As I recall the previous objections were more in the matter of adverse
reactions to Jim's adult games than actual debates, but I do believe it was
partly for that reason why Jim changed his site, ---- which of course even
though as I said jim's adult games are absolutely out for me I was aware of
sinse I had to update the audiogames.net database links for them.
Beware the grue!
Dark.
There is always more to know, more to see, more to learn. The world is vast
and wondrous strange and there are more things benieth the stars than even
the archmaesters of the citadel can dream.
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From: "Desiree Oudinot" <turtlepowe...@gmail.com>
To: "Gamers Discussion list" <gamers@audyssey.org>
Sent: Friday, May 01, 2015 9:57 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] physical cd's and PayPal accounts
Hi Dark,
Fair enough. I had actually forgotten that the adult games were on a
separate part of Jim Kitchen's site. It wasn't always that way, and, since
I don't personally have an interest in those types of games, I really
didn't realize they had been moved. So I'll stand corrected on that point.
I don't know, it just seems a bit odd to me that this is the first time
I've ever seen a debate over whether an audio game should have been
released or not due to its content. Perhaps there were others, but I
wasn't paying attention, or wasn't on the email list or the forum to see
them play out.
On 5/1/2015 4:07 PM, dark wrote:
@Desiry, in fairness to Jeremy his objection to the game is based on it's
actual content and the motivation of it's characters, not just it's
depictions of violence.
Jim kitchin's games are all clearly marked as adult, indeed they're in a
separate part of his site from his other games and on audiogames.net
they're listed as "Adult xxx" with clear warnings in the
description, ---- and yet actually we have still had a couple of
complaints (though I have a sneaking suspicion those were from people who
downloaded the games without reading what they were before hand).
As a side scroller, even as a side scroller with weapons and
action,Psychostrike is rather more innocuous, sinse the area under
scrutiny is the senselessness of the slaughterings and crimes involved,
not intrinsically their depiction.
I'm not going to get into the debate again about this, but in fairness I
can see why perhaps a more prominant warning on site might be useful,
perhaps one contained in some of the links, eg list the game as "psycho
strike game with extreme violence" or have a confirmation message box
with the warning text somewhere rather than listing the game next to
other innocuous titles like paladin of the sky and adventure at C:.
Once the warning is displayed however, what people do is their affair.
Heck, I suffer genophobia and could not play one of jim Kitchin's adult
games without extreme discomfort, but thanks to the warnings I have never
had to, either deliberately or by accident, which is really all you can
say.
All the best,
Dark.
There is always more to know, more to see, more to learn. The world is
vast and wondrous strange and there are more things benieth the stars
than even the archmaesters of the citadel can dream.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Desiree Oudinot"
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Sent: Friday, May 01, 2015 7:46 PM
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I'm trying to remember which game it is that I've played that makes you
agree that you're over 18 each time you play it. That's going to bother
me now. It's an audio game, I believe, and while I think that's
overkill, maybe a similar thing could be put in place in this game as
well.
I also have to ask this, why didn't anyone ever complain about the
content in some of Jim Kitchen's sexually explicit games? Those games
are free, are very small downloads, and are actually very easy to hide,
because they're buried in a mess of other games inside a rather
disorganized directory structure. No offense intended by saying that,
I'm just stating a fact. But I apologize for being blunt.
Anyway, I would argue that children have probably downloaded these
games, too, but I've never heard a peep about it.
Same with Slender, the Lost Vision. This game, if memory serves, was
released shortly after the incident which Dark referenced in a previous
message in which a girl was nearly killed because her friends thought
they were going to please Slenderman. Again, this game is free,
relatively small, and easy to access.
So why is Psycho Strike getting a bad rap when other questionable
content has been released in the past? Maybe I just didn't hear about
similar objections that were raised?
On 5/1/2015 11:54 AM, Thomas Ward wrote:
Hi Paul,
You raise some valid points. If a child is old enough to be
unsupervised on the internet then they are probably old enough to
decide for themselves weather or not to download a certain game or
view certain content. In such a case the best a site owner or game
developer can do is make appropriate warnings as to the content being
viewed.
For example, most pornography sites have a page that pops up every
time the site is accessed letting the user know that the site contains
sexually explicit content and the person entering must be at least
18. If they click the I agree button and enter the site knowing what
content is about to be viewed the legal responsibility becomes that of
the person doing the browsing not the site owner or owners.
With games there is usually a similar warning in place. In adult
interactive fiction, for example, it always comes up with a disclaimer
that prompts the user to enter yes or no if they agree to the terms.
After the user types yes and agrees to the terms of service it becomes
his or her own responsibility what to do with the content.
I think a similar warning system could be implemented in games like
Psycho Strike that serves the same purpose. When the game is first
launched it will let the user know this is an extremely violent game,
is not suitable for people under 16, and have them agree to the terms
of service. After that there is really little anyone can do to make
sure that someone who is age appropriate plays the game.
Cheers!
On 5/1/15, Paul Lemm <paul.lem...@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Jeremy
I do have to say as I think someone else has pointed out, if a child
is old
enough to be allowed on a computer unsupervised to download and view
what
they choose then there are a lot more worrying things online than a
violent audio game. Just on uTube alone there is I'm sure more
graphic and
inappropriate content which is just a click or 2 away from anyone
accessing
a pc. I think this is the responsibility of a parent to teach their
children what they are allowed to view online, I think the fact that
the
game warns people is amble to warn anyone of what is to be expected
and
people can choose to either download or not and if people choose to
ignore
the warning that is their choice and if it's a child too young to be
exposed
to this kind of game I question whether they should be allowed to
freely
view the web unsupervised as mentioned previously there is a lot
more not
only inappropriate but dangerous content accessible online. also with
grand
theft auto that to can be brought online through ps online or the xbox
store either as the game or as a free demo and although I haven't
checked
I'm pretty sure there will only be a warning there
Regards
Paul
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