Hi,
But this is a point though that I've made time and time and time again
on this list. How many people outside of this little community
actually
know about audyssey and said games? Very few people. I only found
out by
word of mouth and quite frankly word of mouth just isn't good
enough. I
do my bit where I can and tell people about these games but the point
is, if people just aren't going to invest in advertising, then quite
honestly, they'll never sell. Ok so Phil's site has a list of games.
So
does whitestick. And other such sites but they are targeted purely
inwardly at this community. I'm sorry but it just doesn't work. I've
asked this question before and the question still stands. Why aren't
people targeting the likes of the various blindness related
organizations around the world with these games? Offering free demo's
and the like? What about all in play, why not offer games as part of a
poker competition? I've not seen 1 all in play competition where by a
game developer from this list has actually stepped up to the plate and
offered x amount of keys to winners of said competition.
Yes I accept that a lot of these guys are 1 man bands, but if you
don't
invest, you don't get anything back. You can't just slap a game out
there and hope that somebody will buy it. That's just pointless and
being frank about it, bad business sense quite honestly. They will
never
get off the ground and make money of any kind or even cover their
costs
if they aren't prepared to do some good old advertising.
Another point here. How many game clones are there out here now that
are
in affect, in breech of copy write. Shades of doom, pacman as well.
Both
brilliant creations, I'm not even saying that they aren't they are
excellent. Pacman especially it's the best one of the bunch if you ask
me from what I've seen so far. Because you really do lose nothing from
playing the original game or this game. So another reason why these
developers cannot advertise properly. Because half of the content
isn't
even legal. And sorry I'm going to say it. People really should stop
hashing up games from the passed and instead look forward to the
future.
Investigate the possibility of making said content legal. Try and
negotiate deals with the various companies and the like. Even prepare
code that you've written up and submit it to them. Prove that it can
be
done. To my mind, there is a whole lot more to making things
accessible
than just by saying, ok lets just slap this together and hoping it
sells, where is this actually getting anybody. Nowhere. Where is the
awareness? Who's making people aware that there is:
1. a demand for these games.
2. proof that said games can be either coded or adapted such as audio
quaik. Now there is proof if any that things can be done to make
things
work.
It's only because in touch have come on this list and asked about it
that we're debating this again, and I really do hope that some of
these
points really do get aired on the show I honestly do. It puts the word
out. Since this was first posted, only Thomas, as far as I know out of
the game developers has come up and made a good comment on the state
of
play with games. Good for you for saying what you did!! But equally,
this pointless rehashing the passed really does have to stop. I
haven't
bought a blind friendly game for ages because I look at half the
titles
and I think, I've played that before or something very like it, some
of
it I could even have in 1 form or other on my old mega drive so why
would I want to buy it again? There's a lot to be said for opening
up to
the wider community at large and seeing exactly what you can find.
-----Original Message-----
From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org]
On Behalf Of Michael Feir
Sent: 28 February 2009 13:14
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Accessible Mainstream Games
True enough. I would wager that most of the sidescrollers could be
made
accessible with the efforts of a good programmer and audio person who
took
sound seriously as a means of conveying functional information rather
than
window dressing. Surreal Horrizons was extremely close to releasing a
splendid version of Asteroids for us. I dearly wish that had not been
abandonned. We've seen more than one racing game now. I would also
think
a
lot of puzzle games could be done. The economics just aren't there to
attract people yet. Unless they are in some way personally connected
to
the
blind community, it's very unlikely we'll see their efforts directed
at
us. Michael Feir Author of Personal Power: How Accessible Computers
Can
Enhance Personal Life For Blind People 2006-2008
www.blind-planet.com/content/personal-power
A Life of Word and Sound
2003-2007 http://www.blind-planet.com/content/life-word-and-sound
Creator and former editor of Audyssey Magazine
1996-2004
Check out my blog at:
www.michaelfeir.blogspot.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Darren Harris" <darren_g_har...@btinternet.com>
To: "'Gamers Discussion list'" <gamers@audyssey.org>
Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 7:36 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Accessible Mainstream Games
Hi,
The point is, a lot of these so-called accessible games are nothing
more than rince and repete type games. Which actually does annoy me
because so much more could be done and yet isn't.
-----Original Message-----
From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-
boun...@audyssey.org]
On Behalf Of Constantine
Sent: 28 February 2009 01:50
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Accessible Mainstream Games
Hi
I'm a classic gamer myself. I think I'm one in 1000000 because there
doesn't seem to be much interest here.
Anyway, onto my report - I'll make this as detailed as I can, sorta.
Well, to start off with, I own a sega genesis, soon to own a sega cd,
3do and dreamcast - I also own a n64, and gamecube.
Sega Genesis:
Well, this heres pretty obvious - the 16 bit lovable genesis released
in
1989. Anyway, the best beat-em-up ever is Streets of rage. Its one of
my all time favorite games - and while I can't beat it, I can get to
level 4 pretty
easy - I made it to level 5 once, but that was by luck. If I
practiced
enough, I could beat it - but I get enough enjoyment out of it that
beating
it doesn't matter to me.
Mortal kombat 1, 2, and 3 - Well, fighting. Nothing talks, but I
don't
care.
I'm slowly learning all the moves. I love mk 3, though, its got the
coolest
music, and my favorite MK character of all - nightwolf!
Sega CD:
This heres an add on to the genesis. Its got the same color pallit -
but
better sound, more storage space - which means more things talk and
more
accessibility is here...
Mortal Kombat for this system wasn't widely recognized. Bad graphics.
Jesus. Who cares about graphics!
Its basically MK1 for the genesis revamped to have characters names
spoken,
and music from the arcade version. The most horrible thing here
though
is
the load times. Nearly 30 seconds between each fight. If you do a
fatality,
you have to wait about a second before it actually does it. Keep in
mind
I'm only brushing the top. I could go into much more details
over each game, each system, etc.
I'm missing a system or two here - but you get the idea. Mostly
fighting
games - but then again, Rush 2: extreme racing for the n64 was and
still is one of the coolest racing games of all time.
contact details:
email: tcwoo...@shaw.ca
and others
msn: the_conman...@hotmail.com
skype: the_conman283
system details:
Hp pavillion dv5220CA notebook pc
AMD Turion(tm) 64 Mobile Technology ML-37 2.0 GHZ, 1024 mb DDR ram,
Fujitsu 100 gb 4500 RPM Hard Drive, connecsant AC-link audio
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mani Djazmi" <i_am_a_s...@hotmail.com>
To: <gamers@audyssey.org>
Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 10:11 AM
Subject: [Audyssey] Accessible Mainstream Games
Hi,
my name's Mani Djazmi and I'm a reporter on the In Touch programme
at
BBC Radio 4 in England. I'm currently researching a feature on the
accessability of computer games for blind and partially sighted
people.
The impression I'm getting is that mainstream games generally aren't
very
accessible so bespoke ones are being produced. Is this fair? Do any
of
you
guys play mainstream games and how do you find them?
I look forward to hearing your thoughts and knowledge.
Cheers
Mani
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